(I disagree with this, and Stern is also a shit person)

But about Rogan “playing centrist”: this is always the way. Convince people you’re just as lost as they are, while objectively not being so based on your podcast deals and metrics. Then slowly shift based on your actual positions.

You get both a) more people following in the first place, and b) an excuse to point to when you get called out for being yet another fascist.