• ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
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    3 days ago

    Although it does appear that living in them was better than living in a tent and perhaps led to living in a better housing situation? Unless the place was demolished after you moved out, it would be better than a tent for someone else.

    Bad housing is better than no housing, largely in part that it helps people get out of the inertia and deathspiral of homelessness.

    There’s a minimum a society should provide, and public housing at least can satisfy that.

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      3 days ago

      We should absolutely provide public housing and hopefully it’s nicer than commie blocks lmao.

      The point is people were removed from their homes and placed in commie blocks. The conditions were horrible and it’s all well documented since the wall fell. People shit on commie blocks because of the authoritarian history and not the fact that it’s a way to house homeless people. I’m not sure if I would prefer a communist block over a tent on a California beach to be honest I’ve only done one though.

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      Not disagreeing there. My one and only argument to make here is literally “I disagree with the statement that people shit on commie blocks for no reason, as they aren’t nice places to live”. Obviously I have lived in one, and it’s definitely preferable to nothing, so… it’s not like im saying “demolish commie blocks, and discontinue social housing” (the ones that do get major renovations are even quite nice :3… definitely think there should still be more accessible options for social housing needs tho) just saying that the situation of living in one, as portrayed in the meme isn’t ideal

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      The issue is that you presume the options are either public housing or a tent. You are missing the other option, which is simply allowing developers to build more housing on their own and removing the ability to speculate on land value, forcing land owners to earn an income only by the benefit their land provides to others. Zoning reform, good urban infrastructure, and Georgist tax policy do this without necessitating terrible concrete commie blocks everywhere

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        That has failed everywhere it’s been tried. Capitalists will never intentionally make less money. They don’t have souls.

        They will always just build cheaply built ‘luxury’ apartments/condos destined to be demolished in 20 years so another developer can do the same thing.

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          Please tell me where this has been tried. I know of no major government entity which has enacted Georgist tax policy.

          If you hate capitalism, you are missing the big picture - the enemy of the average person isn’t the accumulation of money and respurces, but the accumulation of power - money and resources being but one aspect of this. Capitalism is good because it mostly occupies the psychopaths with becoming rich, rather than seeking seats of power in government. Capitalism is the best form of innovation and resource distribution we have yet devised, and works well for people with proper safeguards in place preventing accumulation of too much wealth and ensuring the welfare of the average citizen.

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            You’re partially right, dengism has caused the single largest improvement to the quality of life for its adherents in history compared to all other economic ideologies, and part of dengism is capitalism exclusively for luxury items. But all other forms of capitalism have objectively failed society. Capitalism itself is the evil factor, it is a poison.

            Poisons can be used as medicine when you’re sick, but taking that moderate amount of poison too long will kill you the same as an acute dose.

            You cannot easily fight back against those with capital, so the accumulation of capital will always result in the accumulation of power. There is not amount of guardrails that help forever. The goal must always be to eliminate capitalism and the private ownership of capital entirely.

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      3 days ago

      I can assure you that living in my house is a lot better than living in a tent as well