So nice that radical activism only requires I switch apps 🥳
Surprised it wasn’t banned quickly
Having them pointed towards lemmy.ml is a little concerning.
Capitalism destroyed our government, captured our constitution, and is literally ending the world (for humans, don’t worry it’ll be fine in a few million years and it’ll be like we never existed, thank goodness for that).
I find comedy in people likely here due to the greed rot of Spez wanting to go public and now fondling billionaire balls still, here on Lemmy like digital refugees in the wake of capitalism breaking promises to and destroying a community to increase private profit, going “ewww commies and socialists.”
Credit where it’s due, the capitalist’s Orwell game is God tier.
.ml would be worse than Reddit if they had the same number of users.
No, we are going “ewww tankies”
I mean they are annoying
Whatever, infighting gets us nowhere , down with the big bad
We should do a bunch of them with varying non-Tankie instances
Like programming.dev or lemmy.blahaj.zone
Or maybe even better, have a small table at the bottom with their focuses
Yeah. join-lemmy.org unfortunately isn’t great because it often points to random semi dead instances.
Something like,
The instance you join doesn’t matter much — because you can access all content no matter what instance you are on — but it can be nice to be on an instance that shares you interests and values, because you will have to conform to the rules of that instance. Think of it like your clan — it’s like your email being yourname@yourworkplace — you can still email everyone else and see their emails, but it signals something about you, and it has different rules.
Here are a couple options:
General Purpose:
- discuss.online (hosted US)
- lemm.ee
- lemmy.cafe
- sh.itjust.works (hosted Canada)
Interests:
- mander.xyz (Science)
- programming.dev (Programming)
- infosec.pub (Cybersecurity)
- lemmynsfw.com (Porn)
Diversity:
- lemmy.blahaj.zone (LGBTQ+)
Regions/Langauges:
- jlai.lu (French)
- feddit.org (German)
- lemmy.ca (Canada)
- aussie.zone (Australia)
Ideology:
- lemmy.dbzer0.com (Anarchism and Piracy)
- slrpnk.net (Environmentalist Leftists)
- lemmy.ml (Authoritarian Leftists)
Please copypaste my comment and add instances / improve it
I like the idea, but people have said several times that choosing an instance is a barrier for them.
I usually go with
"Lemmy has 42k monthly active users
- https://discuss.online/ if you want a server located in the USA (content is still accessible from any server, the most difference latency)
- https://sopuli.xyz/ if you want a server located in the EU
- https://vger.app/ if you want an app
Feel free if you have any questions"
Yeah I think I elaborated too much. Let’s just keep recommending small instances — because the current centralisation on world sucks.
I’ve been thinking of switching instances.
But I think part of the problem is the domain names on so many instances are so odd. Lemmy.world is very clean and easy to tell someone verbally, as opposed to say sopudi.xvz or dbzer0 or blahaj.zone.
I suppose “discuss.online” isn’t such a bad name. And “midwest.social” but people who are not in the Midwest might not feel like they identify with that geographically.
I think I have seen your posts on reddit before haha
Oh definitely !
More than a little concerning, it’s happened plenty of times before. People see that BS on the Tankie Triad and then leave thinking Lemmy is just a bunch of tankies
Sometimes they try another non-Tankie instance and realize that we’re not all like that, but I’m sure a majority never return always thinking that all of Lemmy is “that Tankie hangout” or worse, a Voat 2.0
I’m not very into Lemmy, what’s so bad about lemmy.ml?
They’re part of the Tankie Triad who deny the human rights violations of the CCP and hold them up as the gold standard.
Basically Authoritarian bootlickers pretending to not be authoritarians
It’s controversial. It was created by the creators of Lemmy and has some techbro feelings about a lot of stuff. I’m not trying to start an .ml fight, I’m against pushing for any particular instance.
I would recommend new users to stay away from the biggest ones and steer towards one level down. You want enough communities and instances to line your front page, but the big ones are big enough. Let’s spread the load.
I don’t think you need any communities to line your front page until you get subscriptions going. I think going a level down from the biggest ones is still too big and will still lead to giant instances as they inevitably grow over time. Same with putting practically all the communities on lemmy.world or lemmy.ml.
That’s concentrating a lot of people and content in a handful of places, and slightly-less-centralized is still effectively centralized. No instance admins should have that much power.
I was referencing to when I signed up for Lemmy. I really missed the front page of r/ and was looking for that. I didn’t realize that the default would be so dead and also, I was on a really small instance, so the page was suuuuper dead since nothing was referenced yet. People can switch to smaller, but we don’t want to overwhelm them or make it look way worse populated than it is. I get your concern, but that’s why I recommend it to be mid level. You may not care if your front page is dead, but the newbies do.
I get that. I think it is therefore incumbent upon us and the people running instances to inform new users how to do this new thing.
I’m not saying your way is wrong, just that I think inertia will ultimately win out over ideology.
Anyway, have a lovely day!
It took a few times for me to cross over because it was completely new to me. I guess that might not be the case for every crossover. You have a lovely day too.
No matter what advice you give people, they’re still basically going to do what they want. Many will prefer to join larger servers, and some will always prefer smaller ones.
Honestly I think we should worry way less about this, because Lemmy is FOSS and we have enough solid instances already. People will naturally find their way and if larger instances get power drunk, people will leave. We don’t need to try to orchestrate and fine tune what instances people use. Let them do what they want, and trust that the decentralized and redundant federated structure will function as intended.
It should only come into play if large instances actually can’t keep up with their userbase growth from a technological standpoint. But again that problem solves itself because they can just close sign ups.
and if larger instances get power drunk, people will leave.
Will they though? I’ve seen people wanting to leave the bigger ones and don’t know how to transfer all of their subs and stuff.
I have no idea how this is done, or that it was a thing.
He answers a little bit down. You go to settings and there’s an export button. Save that to your drive, sign up for the new instance you’d like to go to and then import that .json file.
There are already tools for that, and it will probably get easier with time. In general, people should be encouraged to create multiple accounts on different servers from the beginning, so they already have built in options if they want to leave.
I use different sorting algorithms on my different accounts and also have different subscriptions, so the front page often looks totally different when I sign into my alts. Some of them are even federated with hexbear 🫣. I always find interesting posts that I missed by doing that.
There are already tools for that,
What tools and where can I find them?
Yeah, that’s kind of my point. A lot of people have no clue how the Fediverse works, and so they see that an instance is big and maybe has the name Lemmy in it, and they think that that’s going to be the one to give them the best experience.
Letting people know that they can get basically the same experience without having to go with the big ones is something I think everybody should know, since it’s such a foreign concept to centralized social media. They have choice in the matter.
And if they want to stick with the big ones, because they like some aspect, then they’ve at least been made aware of what their options are. People should be able to make informed decisions.
Finding an instance that fits you is also significantly more difficult than even mastodon too.
It’s a tankie instance. “ML” as in Marxism-Leninism.
And here I was thinking it was just a cheap ccTLD to use.
If only :(
and in practice they are more MLM (maoism) or MLS (stalinism).
Yeah if they were run of the mill Marxists it’d be one thing, but it’s an authoritarian mess
We read and comprehend the Communist Manifesto with some level of agreement and usually quite a bit more. But it’s mostly privacy focused. Full disclosure: vegan anarchist.
I don’t understand how you could possibly think this. Literally any discussion of China, even non-political that does not conform to the admins beliefs results in an immediate instance-wide ban. It is one of the most censored spaces on the internet and absolutely not safe for anarchist ideas.
My account is 3 years old and have talked about anarchist ideas with them in the past and haven’t been banned. Don’t know what to tell you hoss
It’s mostly Tankie focused, Tiananmen square massacre happened, and the CCP and Russia are Authoritarian dictatorships
Who cares, just get them onboarded and we can deal with orientation later
Because they’ll onboard see the Tankie bullshit and go “oh it’s just Voat 2.0 :/” and leave before ever making it to orientation
I think you’re overestimating the repulsion/ attraction of the tankies. Besides, there’s more to .ml than a love of authoritarian socialism (i assume)
Not really. I mean they do discuss other topics but the ideology flows through everything there.
Besides, there’s more to .ml than a love of authoritarian
Not really, back in the day yea, but over the past year as other comm’s have grown on other instances their influence has been waning and all that’s left is the Tankie ideology
Programming.dev has taken over for FOSS and programming topics in general, other instances are taking over memes, and I’m even seeing more and more non-.ml privacy subs rise
If you look at MAUs, even the .ml memes comm (once THE most popular comm) doesn’t crack the top 10 anymore. Not a single .ml comm does
That’s some grade A fine vintage gourmet cringe.
It’s quite bombastic. I just wanted a place that wasn’t run by a corporation.
i left yesterday after 12 years. joined lemmy. the internet was a lot cooler before it was run by billionaires and ass kissers who are intimidated by billionaires.
fuck em all
Welcome!
The web UI is accessible on any device and there are plenty of apps as well such as Sync and Voyager.
i left yesterday after 12 years. joined lemmy.
Welcome!
Here’s your welcome-possum:
Welcome!
Welcome!
When you’ve settled in, consider joining a smaller instance! Just because it has “Lemmy” in the name doesn’t mean it’s official or good. We all federate together, so you can still join communities hosted on other instances.
thank you! still wrapping my head around the “instances” thing but i think i’m starting to get it
Different geocities neighborhoods
Welcome, glad you could make it! I hope you find this to be a cool place.
For best results, subscribe to communities you want to have a dedicated feed for, and block communities, instances and users that aren’t worth your time, since there is the occasional jerk like you might find anywhere on the internet.
since there is the occasional jerk like you
Hey!
might find anywhere on the internet.
Oh.
I’m going to repeat what I’ve been saying a lot lately. The default is “active.” If that gets boring (it probably will), switch to “hot,” “new,” and “top 6 hours” to get a more vibrant experience. The search engine is confusing at first, but is pretty good.
Welcome to the fight soldier.
ignore the piles of beans.
Currently shitty egg memes I believe.
shitty
I’ll check back in 3 days then
Lemmy mods delete posts and threads too. Interesting choice to use the Lemmy.ml instance in this message. Coincidentally they just deleted one of my threads in asklemmy recently.
They should really include the no ads thing. I think it’s a great selling point, and it would be useful to leverage.
While this is true some instances do need donations it’s very probable that some instances could include ads in the future.
Totally fair, but at the moment, there are none. And even if instances will start using 3rd party ads, there will also be instances that will never run ads. The power of federation at work.
You lost me at the tankie instance link.
While I agree with the message, that the people should leave all centralized Social Media services, the big mistake here is concentrating a massive user-base on one instance (.ml) of one specific service (Lemmy) instead of spreading the influx towards many smaller, but still solid instances and federated services (PieFed, Mastodon, MBin).
Even disregarding .ml’s reputation, if this post does reach a substantial user-base, the only thing happening then is .ml receiving a HoD and people losing faith in the Fediverse as a whole (e: spelling) due to this, sadly. :c
Edit different versions for different instances
I saw it being denounced as a psyop which I thought was funny, since I think it pretty clearly isn’t one. But directing people to lemmy.ml is bad advice as most of us know.
where every user is a revolutionary
Ahem. Cosplays as a revolutionary.
Tell me the difference between resistance and performative resistance?
Look I’m not gonna dox the mf’er, but the primary force behind the .ml instance, and frankly all of lemmy, spends a lot of time enjoying the privilege and benefits that come with being a well paid software living in a “global north” social democracy. Thankfully, they have since cleaned up their profile, but previously, it was trivially easy to figure out where a certain person lived, at least the metro, what company they worked at, and that their income range was well into the 6 figure plus.
If you are new to lemmy, maybe take a bit more time to develop your understanding of the ‘lore’ that underpins this place. If you are already familiar, please understand that basically the core development team of lemmy, and admins of the dot ml instance advocate for a kind of authoritarianism they’ve been shielded from their entire lives, and that they’ve enjoyed extraordinary privilege that has only, historically, been available to the global north, and specifically, a kind of democratic socialism that affords them incredible breadth of opportunity. And its fine that they have contradictions and don’t live their perspectives; but I’m going to exercise a significant degree of criticism at this disconnect.
Aside from other concerns, I find the association with Brexit to be less than ideal. But people should also note that this was posted on r/anarchocommunism so it makes sense they recommended lemmy.ml
Overall it’s fine, we are still at the stage where just getting people to hear about the existence of Lemmy is a big win. They may join and leave, they may just navigate to the page and not join, but now they are aware of it and may eventually decide to join in the future when reddit fucks up again.
DB0 would be a far better fit like @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world said
That’s true, but I’m just pointing out that it’s a leftist subreddit recommending lemmy.ml, so it’s not going out to a generalized audience.
And honestly they’re not as tankie as people claim, that title really belongs to hexbear and lemmygrad. The management of lemmy.ml is tankie friendly, but many or even most of the users are not actually tankies.
It’s very complicated because they were the main server for a long time before any of us even joined Lemmy, and all of their public descriptions don’t even mention leftism at all, it’s just about privacy and FOSS. Many users have made accounts there and used it for years without really caring or engaging with the tankie allegations or posts. It’s not as bad as some people make it out to be.
Hexbear on the other hand is actually worse than anyone could ever explain without experiencing it for yourself. So let’s not forget the two servers are not identical.
The management of lemmy.ml is tankie friendly, but many or even most of the users are not actually tankies.
You haven’t been on .ml much or don’t pay attention to the subtleties if you think the admins and main mods aren’t full blown Tankies. And they’re quick to silence dissenting voices that dare criticize China or Russia, no matter how deserving or right
.ml is more subtle than hex that’s true, but they’re absolutely Tankies just the same and consider hex and grad friends.
I hope lemmy.ml is ready for the influx, particularly as this post linked them directly.
Hopefully NOT so it breaks and people go-to more sane instances
Think of your average redditor. They’ll just think it’s broken and go back to reddit.
Better than them going back to Reddit and thinking “Lemmy is just Tankies”
Like I’ve seen many times before
I honestly think those are bots and children. I was confused only very briefly by the least accessible explanations known to man, before figuring it out for myself. I just wish more people knew how to link !communities and @profiles.
!communities federation is busted. sometimes the final link is federated which makes it functionally useless for anyone outside the original instance. I haven’t been able to figure out why, just don’t down vote bomb anyone replying with a working link because it works for you, thanks.
I thought it was just my instance doing it! And everyone downvotes links no matter what. I think it’s something to do with apps opening them in the browser? I dunno
I didnt even hear the word tankie til I got here, its just other lemmy users keeping ppl away
I think it’s just that they are more obvious here, so it led to a popular use term. Bigger issue is that they can be kinda annoying and I suspect it might only grow their numbers if they are the default community that potential redditors have as their first experience in lemmy.
I guess we can expect the amount of time it spends up to be counted in minutes…
And… it’s gone.
I didn’t go looking, I was just making a joke.
Good, needs to be redone to remove lemmy.ml and put literally any other instance not in the Tankie Triad
The OP is in an anarchocommunist sub. I guess if they’re really anarchists then DB0 would be a better instance though
Yea if it’s an anarchist sub then DB0 would be an excellent fit IMO
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