• Woht24@lemmy.world
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    16 hours ago

    Why do they have to be black? America is bizarrely obsessed with race, I’ve never seen anything like it both in person and on the internet.

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      Because they still get shut out of opportunities based solely on their skin color, names, and application photos. So they work together to create their own opportunities and are rightfully proud of that. America can stop worrying about race when we finally end racism.

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      It’s because America is obsessed with race, and has systematically attempted to demolish black economic power from the foundation of the society, that people may choose to shop this way.

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        Yeah sure, but you’re just perpetuating. It should just be ‘buy from local American farmers’, race shouldn’t be a thing.

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          This is why im gonna teach my future kids to bully white kids like I was, they need to understand /s I got them sent to juvie that was good enough for me lol, fight racism with the law, give them a criminal record and get them thrown out of school, way more satisfying

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            For context so mfs dont defend my old bullies they were 5 years older, would surround me and call me a terrorist (I was in 3rd grade) They eventually escalated and spat on my grandpa when he noticed them fking with me, he chased them and fell, and cops got called. They did this shit for like a month before anyone noticed, I was scared theyd actually beat me up if I told my parents. It was 5 white teens and one indian me, Idk any white kids that had to deal with that shit, I was being called a terrorist before I knew what it was.

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              That sucks man. But there are definitely white kids who got bullied badly, they just don’t have the racism angle. I’m glad someone noticed it was happening to you. I went 5 years actively being bullied by the same kids and the schools decided it was my fault so they didn’t even try to punish the bullies. They actually punished me for getting hit, even when I did nothing but curl into a ball, that was inciting them and grounds for detention. The school told my parents I was on drugs and made them get me tested. When I did do well academically I was accused of cheating and given artificially lower grades. The teachers made no secret of blaming me for being abused, I was routinely lectured for whatever other students did to me.

              What was my crime? I did two years in a special education school because my hearing was impaired when I was younger. That was enough to brand me as chum in the shark tank for the next 5 years and an outcast for the next decade. And the only reason they stopped hitting me was because I grew enough muscles to make them hurt too.

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      I would prefer knowing my money is going to people who have been systematically disadvantaged for this nation’s entire history.

      I suppose your post could imply other minorities could be included but the way I read your comment gives off big WLM energy.

      Edit: spelling

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        Yeah and I understand your thought process. However the entire point is to skip large corporations and buy food from local farmers. Again, why do they have to be black? Coming from a country not obsessed with race, the very mention of race prior to a product or service, seems strange and segregating in itself.

        Race should just be taken out of it, support your farmers. That is my point.

        And fuck off with the white lives matter shit. I would say the same shit to white farmers, Latino farmers etc. Race+service = bizarre.

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        Dude this is discrimination also. It’s like why do I have to pay for things that my gparents have done? This brings me to other questions such as how long do you will be “systematically disadvantaged”? I have seen those cases with my eyes: Afro has their college fees paid and they got paid for studying. he/her reproved. Do state retired the help? NO. They just had a talk with he/her and keep with aid. Meanwhile my mixed friend had to put gmother home as warrant to get a loan in order to pay the stupid college. I got enough of it.

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      the democrats have built their entire brand around performative racial justice where everything they do is designed to appeal to different groups. Its super toxic and while I am vehemently anti-racist this tokenization of policy is counter productive and the reason why a lot of people reject the democrats as “racist”

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        Bro, the US wins world champions in racism. There are ethno-nationalists in India that think Americans take it too far.

        It’s also important to note that POC, black people or melenated people (take your pick - i.e Pakistani and some Indians are PoC) are not exempt from being racist.

        In fact, if you suffer racism there’s a chance you’ll then turn racist, because it triggers pack instinct, paranoia, group think - etc. Humans gonna hume. “You’re claiming reverse racism” - bitch, did I stutter? Racism is racism is racism is racism.

        That being said, zoning laws are still CRT based and some neighbourhoods in the US only get the most basic super markets - if even that.

        “All I see is church, church, liquor store” - Black Milk.

        If black people need access to raw produce in areas they can’t get access to it, then I think it’s completely acceptable. Sad, but acceptable.

        I could also see a bunch of Karens buying out the stock so that they can brag that they eat “black produce”, effective depriving black children of proper produce.

        To err is human, and also be awful is human, and also racism… is human, and also (say it with me now):

        Humana gonna hume. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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          Or ask a European about their feelings on gypsies and watch them pull out some of the darkest shit you’ve ever heard.

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            While the EU acts more like one country than the US we are not a single country. So it vastly differentiates from country to country.

            Asking people about gypsies will either bring out the worst or they will correct you and say that calling them Gypsies is like calling a black person Niger. Romani is the preferred term btw.

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              I was originally gonna say Romani but then I remembered this very detail.

              Europe is honestly just as if not more racist than the US

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                Depends ofc where you look, what country etc. And if you count people living here who themselves don’t count themselves as an European

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                We just emigrated to the UK and my daughter is having trouble finding friends… she finally met a kid her age and the kid told her that the N-word isn’t offensive in the UK.

                Fucking what? (Yes, I know it is just as offensive here.)

                And we lived in Indiana, the Middle Finger of the South, where the KKK was re-formed in the 1920s.

                So now she has to start all over again finding friends. She was pretty upset and I don’t blame her.

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            As long as they aren’t assholes idc, I have had white/white-ish (if you consider Spain generally white, which some do and some don’t lmao) “friends” that are way worse than gypsies or moroccans (which are other ones that are mentioned often).

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          I’m not entirely sure, what you’re advocating for.

          There are Turkish supermarkets, restaurants, döner stalls, and barbers all over the place.

          I also know a Turkish electrician, but I’ll go to him when I need an electrician, not when I need a Turk.

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      Sure, it can seem on the surface like wanting to support people of a particular race is in itself a kind of racism, or at least a situation that emphasizes unfair distinctions.

      Unfortunately, race does still matter in America, even if we personally disagree with it or want to ignore it. The health and economic research data make it very clear that people of color in America, especially black people, experience harder lives in almost every category. This is due to both recurring experiences of present-day prejudice and discrimination, as well the inter-generational impacts of wealth inequality and psychological trauma.

      You might already know about this, but redlining is one example of the way that patterns of discrimination can creates a systemic effect, which, in turn, can impact the physical and financial effects on a family across time. These kinds of systemic effects can then make it harder for current generations of these families to recover and live safe lives today though, we personally might celebrate that the policy doesn’t exist anymore, and even though we personally might say that we don’t support people acting like that anymore.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

      No one really has to do anything, but some people might choose to support groups of people or organizations who they think might have experienced similar kinds of hardships in their families, and might be glad to have a way to try to do something different with their money than give it to another multinational corporation every time.

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        Right but as far as I understand it the supermarkets and wholesalers screw all farmers over equally race isn’t a consideration.

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        Yeah I’ve heard these arguments. I still hold my opinion. America needs to move away from the race obsession.

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              As in

              • Not talking about race will solve the lingering systemic race issues, or
              • There are no lingering systemic race issues, so we should stop talking about it?
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                Not OP, but keep seeing the world as if it is “us vs them” or “black vs white” or “right vs left” or “rich vs poor” will not help find common ground and compromises. There is no compromise for racism, but people putting more attention on it will only promote looking at the situation in a way where the difference matters.

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                Oh no the US is a shitshow of systemic racism, like super ridiculous on every level. There is such a wild undercurrent, surface levek and then an even weirder like super liminal racism where it just has to be mentioned.

                Watch like any late night and they will make a self depricating white person joke, middle aged white guy thing. Just stfu about all of it, address the systemic issues with actual actions and then just you know…live as neighbours as americans.

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                  So the US is a shitshow of systemic racism but you want everyone to stop talking about race? Sounds like a way to never fix the problem.