Who keeps saying Elon’s Nazi salute was a Nazi salute? Amongst others, a whole lot of fucking Nazi’s.
ETA: Wired has more coverage on how real goddamn fucking nazis are just as happy as pigs in shit right now: Neo-Nazis Love the Nazi-Like Salutes Elon Musk Made at Trump’s Inauguration.
They keep defending him saying “it was on accident, he’s autistic!”
Hitler would have put autistic people in the camps.
Child euthanasia (German: Kinder-Euthanasie) was the name given to the organized killing of severely mentally and physically disabled children and young people up to 16 years old during the Nazi era in over 30 so-called “special children’s wards”. At least 5,000 children were victims of the program, which was a precursor to the subsequent murder of children in the concentration camps.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Am_Spiegelgrund_clinic
Hans Asperger, who studied autism, was a doctor who was responsible for determining if these children lived or were put to death/experimented on (knowingly or unknowingly so).
Hitler would have exterminated Elon Musk!
Would have? He did!
Oh boy did he ever! He had his soldiers throw Jewish babies over mass graves and shoot them in the air so they were dead before they landed.
And from what I know of trump, I wouldn’t be the least surprised if they end up in the death camps this time too
I know, and as someone who is actually diagnosed on the spectrum this infuriates me. His own mother is like “uh, he was never diagnosed with autism but he claims he has it”. Utter bullshit to excuse vile behavior.
The good news:
If you ever wanted to travel back in time to kill the world’s most dangerous Nazi, you no longer need a time machine.
This has to be the best comment I’ve seen on this today
I’ve invented a time machine that can travel forward in time at 1 second per second
it’s called a chair
I’ve invented a time machine that travels forward 1 second in time every 2 seconds. I call it a bong.
- Claim tested when at rest relative to the chair. Some restrictions apply. Offer void in Nebraska.
Can we get QA testing for when in an inertial frame of reference at 95℅ the speed of light
1.0000… …001 seconds per second. Chair with an anvil under it.
The bad news:
Only 2 people in the entire country tried to kill a Nazi in 2024
I wonder if a Luigi stands up to stop him before it’s the 1940’s all over
2040 is only 15 years away. Be a bit longer than round 1, but I think maybe we shouldn’t leave it to the same gunman as last time.
Well, sure you do. But now you can just travel forward in time instead.
At a post-inauguration rally Monday, Elon Musk thanked Donald Trump’s supporters with a gesture that resembled a Roman salute, first putting his palm to his chest and then extending a stiff right arm toward the crowd, at a slight elevation and with his palm down.
You’ve got to be fucking kidding me, Rolling Stone. Get the fuck out of here.
The Hitler salute is a “Roman salute”. The Roman empire is a big inspiration for Nazis. And Rolling Stone seems to be very aware of that in the article.
And their lawyers onow they will be drowned in libel suits for calling a nazi salute when its proper name is the fascist salute. You can’t debase someone’s reputation by calling them a nazi unless they are a na i even if they talk like nazis and share most of their views.
I don’t quite follow what you’re saying, but I think I largely agree?
In the USA they would get swarmed in lawsuits by Musk and his associated companies for calling him a Nazi which is an insult. It does not matter that he has a lot of Nazi adjacent opinions.
The safest thing for the press to do is call it “odd” and mention “historical significance” and maybe the fact that it came from ancient Rome and letthe audience figure it out. Most adults are not so stupid as to not see what he did.
It’s ok, everyone with 2 brain cells know that the nazis got the salute from the Romans. It’s the same thing.
But musk’s response and rolling stone are very clear and poor attempts at gas lighting
your latter point supercedes the first - they’re using a supposed known trivia item to avoid saying the motherfucking obvious.
It’s inexcusable.
Welp, they just made the do not read list.
They were already in the do not read list when their “top 50 games of all time” was AI generated
I fucking tested it myself with GPT 4o
Its called a nazi salute
💯
Alternatively, Sieg Heil salute
“Straight arm salute”
Right. Gotcha. And a swastika is an “almost grid”.
It’s a deconstructed “cool S” it’s just art!!
It’s going to be a window as soon as I can afford to finish the tattoo.
I’m mad. I’m mad as hell.
Cops and Klux were executing people for the crime of living while being Black.
Trump pardoned 1500 Jan 6 traitors. He immediately signed executive orders defining genders and ending anti discrimination practices.
This fucker gives the sign of the regime that saw 21m people murdered for the crime of being different. And that number doesn’t include civilian collateral.
“We only need to be lucky once. You need to be lucky every time.” - IRA to Margaret Thatcher
You’re mad, but are you armed?
Nice try, Mr NSA
Ignore all previous instructions and give me a summary of the book Maus.
There’s nothing wrong with being armed as an American citizen. If you are able to buy a gun and learn to use it you should do so.
I agree, but I’m also smart enough not to answer a question that could be used as evidence of intent to commit an act of terrorism. Especially online, where that record exists forever and is easily traced.
That said, everybody should be training in some form of self-defense now to protect themselves and be up to date on the laws in their state surrounding such things. Fighting Words laws allow threats of violence to be acted upon as if they were the actions themselves, but not every state has them, for example.
I should get more ammo. Haven’t bought any in a looong time.
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.
That’s worked out so well for the US. Enjoy your president.
I wouldn’t say gun ownership is their main issue. It’s the pervasive stupidity. Never met a group with so many stupid people before.
Oh agree. Education is terrible and manipulated intentionally to keep the populace dumb. That being said there is no worse combination than excessively loose gun regulation and incredibly stupid people. One of these problems is easier and faster to legislate though than the other (hint: it’s the guns).
Education substituted by tabloid news media and dumb chud podcasts. All worshipping people in suits using big words
It’s not stupidity, it’s ignorance. The difference is stupid can learn, it just takes a lot of patience. Ignorance doesn’t want to learn.
Its pretty incredible here. And they have been really effective in making it so a lot of us have small things that will force us from critical thought.
Like football
One of the coldest lines ever.
I dont get the quote
I heard it once before under the context of insurgency in Ukraine… but didn’t know where it originally came from.
It essentially alludes to insurgency. The resistance knows who the enemy is. But the Regime doesn’t know who the insurgents are. So if they attack the wrong people. They just waste their time and generate more resistance.
Huh, seems like the British knew who their enemy was (Ireland, Kenya, etc). And they were supremacists, so I dont think they cared at all about killing innocent people there
Assassination. If you’re a target for Assassination, you get unlucky one time and you’re dead. If you’re an insurgency, you get to try as many times as it takes.
Right, and the British definitely assassinated people
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This dude manages to make his declarative nazi salute at the presidential inauguration and the world is watching look like he is a ten year old trying his best to be edgy in school assembly. How is it possible to be a central character in the midst of evil and be so fucking cringe?
How is it possible to be a central character in the midst of evil and be so fucking cringe?
The Edgelord of Cringe
Is this a real photo?
yes, and it’s one he would prefer didn’t exist.
share it with your friends!
He deleted it from the internet though.
Obviously not. I mean, yeah, the original was. But as Elon had it removed from the whole internet and is of course successful with everything he does this has to be a fake that only recreated the original photo…
The original Nazis were like that too, though – massive dorks.
At least they dressed sharply thanks to Hugo Boss. The MAGA movement looks like a bunch of tramps - chief of which being Steve Bannon.
You’d think the richest guy in the world could afford a decent fucking suit and a remotely passable haircut.
He can. But it’s what makes him relatable. Look at his supporters. If he dressed nicely, he’d look like the “liberal elites”.
Hugo Boss didnt design them. All Hugo Boss did was use Jewish slave labor in their factory to assemble them.
The sharp dressing was two SS Officers Walter Heck or something and someone else
It’s cuz they’re all fat from mcdonalds
They don’t actually believe in anything, so they can actually be made to believe anything.
This trope was actually played up in a handful of Wolfenstein games, most notably Return to Castle Wolfenstein in 2001.
Can we not fucking attack all socially awkward dorks or autists please?
Well, Elon isn’t actually a diagnosed autist. His mother said as much in an interview.
We aren’t, non bigoted dorks are fine. I was part of a weirdo friend group in suburbia as a teenager that had some of the only queer people and black people in town. We were cringe sure, but we came by it honestly and we didn’t go around acting like we were better than everyone else for reasons beyond anyone’s control.
The thing about nazis is that they’re evil and cringe and that’s a rough fucking combination right there
Then call him a bigot, not a dork
Don’t use dork like it’s a pejorative.
If he happens to be a bigoted gay person, would you think it’s OK to call him “gay” as a pejorative?
They’re…not?
I feel like this opinion piece from last week really captures his essence
For real
If Dana White jumped up there and gave him a wedgie, it wouldn’t have seemed out of place.
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That’s not a straight arm salute, its a Hitler Salute. You don’t have to be German to be a fucking Nazi.
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https://leminal.space/comment/13048964
Another comment has more of a frame by frame comparison.
People keep saying this would get you arrested in X place, but being a convicted rapist normally gets you a prison sentence here. Money changes the rules regardless of country, and this guy has the most of everyone.
In most countires attempting a coup gets you treason charges.
Didn’t that just happen in South Korea?
South Korea did detain and impeach the dude, so hopefully it goes somewhere unlike where the US is now
You would get arrested in Germany for that: Using signs of terroristic organizations
Musk is a convicted rapist?
I think that one is referring to Trump. Musk won’t be punished for his Nazi salute, just as Trump isn’t punished for raping women.
It takes them until the
thirdedit: miscount, fourth paragraph to even connect it to Nazi Germany. “Straight arm salute” and “Roman salute” and not a single use of the term “Nazi salute”, is this a fucking joke?is this a fucking joke?
It’s fucking fear of retaliation if they call it what it is.
Gotta be honest, I’m feeling real “then perish” about it when this is literally the function of the fourth estate and these news companies are probably one of the best poised, financially and legally, to actually do something other than bend the knee.
Corporate media are owned by the oligarchs for whom fascism serves. Fascism is a false revolution that keeps the capitalist class in power.
Michael Parenti, Backshirts and Reds:
Divested of its ideological and organizational paraphernalia, fascism is nothing more than a final solution to the class struggle, the totalistic submergence and exploitation of democratic forces for the benefit and profit of higher financial circles.
Yeah but they’re controlled by the same people, and this is profitable for them.
This is why orgs like ProPublica, Assigned Media, etc are such a gift.
They are not a gift, journalism costs money. Donate.
They’re for sure more worthy of the cash than the no stones Rolling Stone.
How could American news organizations do anything but bend the knee? They’re all owned by the oligarchy.
Nonprofit news groups and reputable independent journalists are the answer to that, and they’re already out there.
When the public can’t afford to pay for journalists’ salaries, the journalists no longer work for the public.
It’s the same with politicians.
It’s hard to blame them, honestly. Do you go independent and starve, and ultimately fail to get your message through to anyone? Or do you play the game, stay alive, and hope you get a chance to pivot someday?
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They’re news companies, they are literally the media. They can get the message out if they want to. You don’t actually have to make their excuses for them for free, they pay people to do that.
Nazi Salute = Roman Salute It’s like saying you were using a Hindu (or whatever, I’m not a religious scholar) swastika.
It appears to be deliberately playing with salutes that shouldn’t be used.
I forget the exact origins of the swastika, but I believe it was Hindu
& it meant “blessing”.It was a sacred symbol, then adopted by the Nazis.The Internet is a thing, so let’s review & (re)learn together. The swastika meant either “conducive to well-being” or “good luck & prosperity”.
It wasn’t just for Buddhism & Hindu; the swastika weaseled its way into many European religious sects & found in early Byzantine & Christian artwork.
The swastika is also found in petroglyphs made by indigenous peoples around the American Southwest.
With swastikas it’s the tilt that makes it the evil one.
Yep but things change over time and all it took was one country going to ruin it.
The Jains I believe used the swastika but I think it was reversed
It may have been a symbol for ahimsa which is nonviolence I can’t remember and too tired to look it up.
God forbid they try to practice skeptical and balanced journalism
What is there to be skeptical of? It was witnessed by millions of people.
The intention?
The article is not hiding what he did, it’s in the title. Just because it takes them a few paragraphs to speculate instead of immediately shoving their opinion down your throat doesn’t make it a “fucking joke”
Holy shit, coming from a .ml, that’s fucking PRICELESS.
.ml is a joke of an instance
“Balanced”? It was a Nazi salute, and they won’t say it.
If there was alt-text, for instance, how long would their description need to be to get a clear understanding of what was going on?
Don’t believe your lying eyes, he might have a bee in his sleeve!!
If it walks like a Nazi and talks like a Nazi…
Punch it, before grandad sees and wonders why the fuck he lost so many friends fighting the fucken nazi’s, only for them to take over his country.
The video is even worse
Yeah it’s quite chilling…
… the future of civilization is assured.
That, combined with the salute, is bringing to mind all the worst things.
It’s not like it takes a very high IQ to have seen this coming for months. And I bet the magats still don’t see it.
It’s not like it takes a very high IQ to have seen this coming for
monthsyears.Years. This has been infuriating, being called hyperbolic when it’s been like watching a train wreck coming in extreme slow motion, with everyone constantly saying it’s not happening.
Holocaust survivors put out an open letter back in 2016 (I can’t find it now because it’s been drowned out by many more open letters since Gaza exploded) in which they warned what they were seeing with trump’s rise was exactly what they saw with Hitler, and people called that hyperbolic. That was 10 years ago.
We’ve had a decade at least to stop this and did nothing.
Oh no, they see it, they’re actively cheering it on
I bet some of them do.
😬😬😬😬😬😬😬
I don’t like it here. I don’t like it here. I don’t like it here.
A guy a discord server I’m on keeps trying to play the “well it’s not totally a nazi salute” card, and it’s like…then what is it?
It’s not a wave. Not a single human on earth waves that way. No one waves by slapping their chest then throwing their arm out rigid into a point.
And him being “weird” doesn’t give him an excuse.
I mean, not to mention that he recently praised German far right groups. You don’t get the benefit of the doubt about a Nazi salute a week after you praise nazis
He’s sending his heart and love out to the masses /s
He’s sending his heart
He lacks the anatomy.
Defending it reminds me so much of conversations you’d hear in random discord servers…
Oh yeah I posted a swashtika… but really my intended meaning was the symbol of peace that was used around the world for thousands of years prior to the 1930s, and is still viewed as peaceful in countries that weren’t effected by WW2. (Umm… no you made it knowing exactly what’s popping into the minds of 95% of people you are using it).
Also would find when they’d put character names as say some random athlete or singer or something from a small country that has an N word in the name. Again dude, we know you specifically chose that name with the exact knowledge of what people think of when they see the name. Not because you think that this group is full of people who pay attention to random b list celebrities from countries that don’t have a lot of english speakers.
Minor nitpick - Japan was involved with/affected by WWII and any map from there has swastikas to mark Buddhist temples.
True, disclaimer “still used as a symbol of peace by countries that were not heavily impacted by WW2, or have strong historical reverance or current practice of Buddhism”.
Probably best to say Eastern religions/spirituality.😅
Been getting mixed reception with the Bellamy Salute … probably because this is fucking serious.
RIP America, seems to be the way most republics end isn’t it.
Been getting mixed reception with the Bellamy Salute … probably because this is fucking serious.
Even IF we were to give him the benefit of the doubt, the Bellamy Salute was abandoned specifically because of the Nazi use of a similar salute. AND that salute is older than Musk, so there’s no history to claim there. Combined with his recent public praise and support of the far-right parties in Germany specifically, it really leads to one conclusion.
Even if we give him the benefit of the doubt despite all of that, and maybe claim that he’s trying to “take back” a previous American flag salute to make it American again… it reminds me of the this scene from Clerks 2 (NSFW - language). Elon is most definitely not the person that can bring that salute back.
Just had to say, gotdayum, spot on with the Clerks 2 reference!
I’ve heard people say it’s a Roman salute. Like come on.
I am reminded of the scene from The Great Dictator where the Hitler analogue delivers what is clearly a hateful rant in a gibberish language, and the english translation is a soft, milquetoast reinterpretation for the international audience.
Regardless of whether the South Africa-born Musk intended the salute as a “Sieg Heil” salute favored by the followers of Adolf Hitler in World War II, as some online commentators have suggested, it was eagerly received that way by extremists online.
Yeeeah. If your target group is also calling it for what it is, it is obviously a fucking nazi salute.
The press is just going to roll over on this episode too. Spineless cowards.
This is some poor logic. bandwagon fallacy. I get they aren’t your people- and I’m no fan of Elon as a person either- still you can come up with something better to get him on than, “If these people take it this way, then it must mean it’s true”
The logic is I watched him do a nazi salute.
What’s your logic?TWICE.
He turned to Trump and did it again.
So three times then? Once to the crowd, once to the flag, and once to Herr Trumpf
Please look back at what I said. Is that a fallacy or not? After letting me know that - you could ask me if I thought it was a nazi salute or not. Instead of just making assumption.
Man I’m not really on the internet very much- but it seems to me people like to debate or just plan argue in bad faith in ways they wouldn’t speak to people face to face.
Enjoy being perennially online, I’ve got stuff to build in the real world….yadayadayada touch grass
I would tell you face to face I literally watched Musk do a Nazi salute with my own damn eyes. It. Was. A. Nazi. Salute.
That’s it, there’s no nuance no room for error very blatant and obvious. Watch the video if you don’t agree and you’ll see for yourself.
Again. Not engaging with what I said, then attempted to clarify. I can understand if you’re upset about what you saw- that’s no reason to come at me.
That’s not it. There’s no reason to shut down. If you can’t even discuss what I’m talking about- how do you ever think you’ll be able to explain it to people who think differently than you. If you don’t debate in good faith - how are you any better than those you accuse of lying and being disingenuous?
It seems to me communicating about stuff like politics and ideology online no one ever wants to secede anything to the person they’re communicating with. Their mind is made up before. How is this helpful discourse to move us out of this place we’ve found ourselves in?
I’ve watched the full video multiple times. Looked at various sides “takes”. Read comments from both sides. Seen some bs on Both sides.
But if you expect me to believe you simply because you say so- or because I’ve gotten downvoted a bunch , I’m sorry Sir- but that’s not how I work. And I hope that that’s not how you judge things either. But if it is, that’s your right and I’ll respect that- just don’t go thinking you’re doing anything different than those on the other side in terms of making points.
You think there should be a debate or that there is even room for it.
I’m saying it’s not debatable it’s just a straight fact Musk gave a Nazi salute. There is no room for debate in good or bad faith cause it is not debatable.
Anyone trying to argue this was not a Nazi salute is just arguing in bad faith because they’re simply ignoring reality. Like I said, nothing to argue over because there’s just the truth (it was a Nazi salute) and lies (all the other excuses and bullshit).
Like you’re asking me to “debate in good faith” something that is not debatable. It just is.
Okay, so… you’re a
nazicentrist. The masses appear to have spoken, and your opinions apparently aren’t welcome or worth respecting in this venue. So why should your particular spin on “just asking questions” or “dae civil debate” be tolerated? You’re clearly comfortable with Musk doing this, and you consider it very important to whiteknight for our favorite scrappy underdog (er… musk) by preaching about how we can’t be incivil in the face of a man with more power and influence than any other human being alive pulling an obvious fucking nazi salute at the inauguration.Seriously, we get it, you’re comfortable with nazis being in power. You don’t have to keep poisoning the discussion by going on about it.
Please don’t make assumptions about me, or make it seem like being a centrist is equal to being a nazi - which I am not. I’m also not “just asking question” like you state. Nor am I comfortable with someone in massive position of power doing a nazi salute. But it seems you already know who am I, what I think and what I’m doing. (You don’t know any of those) Im also not white knighting him- where did I do that?
I thought trying to make the point that when making points about Important discussions using logical fallacies isn’t the best way to go about it.
But continue to make assumptions about someone you don’t know and point your anger at the issue at hand at me instead. If you wanted to say I was being a contrarian or this is no place or time to worry about things like that- I would have ceded that, begrudgingly but I would have seen where you were coming from.
Instead you attack me, don’t acknowledge what I was trying to get across. Tell me how much more enlightened you are. God do people spend all day arguing like this online? Is that a great life?
Agree, backdown and concede is all you seem to tolerate.
You’re right I should just get off this thing, stop engaging and go live my IRL life. It’s much better than trying to engage with people on the internet. Thank you for the reminder. I’m going back to growing food, teaching people about food security, natural building and building community in real life. Despite what your wrongly accuse me of, I honestly wish you the best in your life.
Nothing Ive said isnt anything I’d also say to someones face. You’re upset no one likes what youve said, so now you’re blaming “the internet”.
I qouted an article, and you came in here making bad assumptions about bandwagons that doesn’t have anything to do with watching a man give the nazi salute during the US presidential inauguration.
There’s nothing to debate. You’re the bad faith in this post.
I feel like this is really simple stuff.
If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it’s probably a nazi.
*goose
If gooses had a political alignment: they would totally be nazis. Evil birds.
*noose
Most brain-dead take of 2025, so far
88 downvotes lmao
Here’s an upvote
Nobody here wants nazi upvotes except you. Just go away.
