You didn’t contradict yourself, I was asking for clarification because I didn’t understand you fully.
I don’t really think we are all that far about on the substance of this, and we could probably debate the nuance for ages for no gain, so I won’t.
The main thing I think is important is that people don’t fall into the trap of thinking there is only one broad perspective that should be valid for everyone, which I don’t think you are doing.
As an aside, do you have any sources I could read about the 2000 transfer of power? I was so young then, and growing up people never posited it as a coordinated attempt to subvert the election. I have heard a bit about it in the past years but had trouble finding information on what had happened.
One connection that deeply concerned me was the involvement of a number of Oathkeepers, paramilitaries who were present for and knowingly attempted to thwart the process. Orders came directly from the leader of the concerningly large paramilitary group, and the group has many direct links to Roger Stone; a top Trump official and architect of his entire rise to political power from landlord/gameshow host.
I had meant the Bush/Gore election, but I will take these too since I’ve read conflicting reports on how Stone reacted to the riot as it was happening.
This is worth studying, I’d be interesting in comparing 2000 with 2016, as well as the ways that establishment democrats had intervened to deny Bernie Sanders the democratic nomination. I’ll see what sources I can put together and anything interesting I find out I’ll share, and if you have time to do the same I’d appreciate anything you could find. Maybe there’s time to write an article before the election, though even afterward for future elections would be worthwhile.
It sounds like there were a lot of technical issues in Florida that led votes to be cast to the wrong person, as well as votes to be discarded entirely, which led to a case before the Supreme court where they said there was a deadline that had to be meant even if it meant discarding votes.
You didn’t contradict yourself, I was asking for clarification because I didn’t understand you fully.
I don’t really think we are all that far about on the substance of this, and we could probably debate the nuance for ages for no gain, so I won’t.
The main thing I think is important is that people don’t fall into the trap of thinking there is only one broad perspective that should be valid for everyone, which I don’t think you are doing.
As an aside, do you have any sources I could read about the 2000 transfer of power? I was so young then, and growing up people never posited it as a coordinated attempt to subvert the election. I have heard a bit about it in the past years but had trouble finding information on what had happened.
One connection that deeply concerned me was the involvement of a number of Oathkeepers, paramilitaries who were present for and knowingly attempted to thwart the process. Orders came directly from the leader of the concerningly large paramilitary group, and the group has many direct links to Roger Stone; a top Trump official and architect of his entire rise to political power from landlord/gameshow host.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/four-members-oath-keepers-sentenced-roles-jan-6-capitol-breach
Archive link to paywalled nyt article https://archive.is/LeGLk
I had meant the Bush/Gore election, but I will take these too since I’ve read conflicting reports on how Stone reacted to the riot as it was happening.
This is worth studying, I’d be interesting in comparing 2000 with 2016, as well as the ways that establishment democrats had intervened to deny Bernie Sanders the democratic nomination. I’ll see what sources I can put together and anything interesting I find out I’ll share, and if you have time to do the same I’d appreciate anything you could find. Maybe there’s time to write an article before the election, though even afterward for future elections would be worthwhile.
This one has quite a few details on the 2000 election and contributing factors I had not known about: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/rigged-vote-four-us-presidential-elections-contested-results-180961033/
It sounds like there were a lot of technical issues in Florida that led votes to be cast to the wrong person, as well as votes to be discarded entirely, which led to a case before the Supreme court where they said there was a deadline that had to be meant even if it meant discarding votes.
That does still leave the question of why the Supreme Court decided this way which led me to: https://www.britannica.com/event/Bush-v-Gore
And then there is this paper written by a university teacher, Miguel Martinez-Saenz: https://cah.ucf.edu/fpr/article/the-2000-presidential-election-a-matter-of-opinions/