Back in the 1890s scientists discovered some rocks were extra spicy and the energy inside could power everything, everywhere, forever. The last 100+ years have been a concerted effort all across the globe to ignore that in favor of invasive and destructive drilling, clouds of smog in our cities and massive spills of toxic black sludge for our seafood to swim in. We are not a wise species.
The green party in Germany is still happy that they finally managed to get the last nuclear reactors offline. In April 2023. Imagine fighting something for 50 years and never adjusting your world view at all despite the masses of new data or “new” issues.
Those reactors were ancient and, even without the nuclear power phaseout, they would’ve needed to be replaced. And contrary to popular belief, they were replaced with renewables, not fossil fuels. The choice was build wind turbines and solar panels and upgrade the grid or spend the same amount of money on building nuclear reactors that still rely on imported fuel that needs to be mined in some third world country in an extremely environmentally destructive way and that, regardless of design, produce nuclear waste.
And did they get replaced? No. Because bad nuclear, they still think like that. It is the only tech we have with a chance to actually reduce CO2 emissions as much as WE need to in the near future.
You say they were replaced by renewables… Sure. But then they did not replace fossiles, which is exactly the issue. Also, they provide base load, only hydro and geothermal can do that, and they did not suddenly get another few GW installed. We are still using as much fossiles as we did 20+ years ago, it is fucking crazy. Have a look at the chart (the absolute values are not better looking)
A lot of this is the problem with companies still selling combustible stuff as they have an overflow based on this stupid decision to overproduce. and act like this bus is too big to turn around to just use something else.
Don’t you see the stock to sell for potential $ $$$ $ is the real issue on every capitalists mind.
I do not think that it has sometime to do with capitalism. Everyone is using fossiles, because they are cheap and abundant. Every form of government etc. used them if they had access to them.
The same way everyone drives cars, even tho accidents are the 3rd highest cause of death. They do that because it is convenient etc.
Those reactors were ancient and, even without the nuclear power phaseout, they would’ve needed to be replaced.
Would the timeline have been the same?
The choice was build wind turbines and solar panels and upgrade the grid or spend the same amount of money on building nuclear reactors that still rely on imported fuel that needs to be mined in some third world country in an extremely environmentally destructive way
Solar panels at least use a lot of imported materials from what I’ve read. So similar issues there. Not sure which ends up as the lesser evil for the third world.
I find it fascinating that we’re all here on lemmy to be part of a more distributed social media since monopolies obviously come with serious consequences.
And then there are still tons of people who’d prefer nuclear, which usually means some big company having a lot of power on a basic need for society, as if there it suddenly does make sense to want huge companies have all the power.
Regardless of whether nuclear is safe or not, or if the waste is a problem or not, the entire reason you’re on lemmy and not on reddit should be the same reason why you’d prefer solar & wind over nuclear.
You are making a LOT of really bad assumptions on why people are on Lemmy and why some think Nuclear energy has a place in the entry supply chains for at least the next several hundred years ( unless the current paradigm changes radically).
Back in the 1890s scientists discovered some rocks were extra spicy and the energy inside could power everything, everywhere, forever. The last 100+ years have been a concerted effort all across the globe to ignore that in favor of invasive and destructive drilling, clouds of smog in our cities and massive spills of toxic black sludge for our seafood to swim in. We are not a wise species.
Fermi paradox in action
The green party in Germany is still happy that they finally managed to get the last nuclear reactors offline. In April 2023. Imagine fighting something for 50 years and never adjusting your world view at all despite the masses of new data or “new” issues.
Nuclear in Germany was phased out by the Conservativs under Merkel. Whining about the Greens here is disingenuous.
But the entire Green party was founded out of the anti-nuclear movement, so saying they are happy about it is certainly correct.
I said they are still happy about it. Is that correct or not?
Those reactors were ancient and, even without the nuclear power phaseout, they would’ve needed to be replaced. And contrary to popular belief, they were replaced with renewables, not fossil fuels. The choice was build wind turbines and solar panels and upgrade the grid or spend the same amount of money on building nuclear reactors that still rely on imported fuel that needs to be mined in some third world country in an extremely environmentally destructive way and that, regardless of design, produce nuclear waste.
And did they get replaced? No. Because bad nuclear, they still think like that. It is the only tech we have with a chance to actually reduce CO2 emissions as much as WE need to in the near future.
You say they were replaced by renewables… Sure. But then they did not replace fossiles, which is exactly the issue. Also, they provide base load, only hydro and geothermal can do that, and they did not suddenly get another few GW installed. We are still using as much fossiles as we did 20+ years ago, it is fucking crazy. Have a look at the chart (the absolute values are not better looking)
A lot of this is the problem with companies still selling combustible stuff as they have an overflow based on this stupid decision to overproduce. and act like this bus is too big to turn around to just use something else.
Don’t you see the stock to sell for potential $ $$$ $ is the real issue on every capitalists mind.
Won’t you think of the capitalist?? So selfish!
/s <just in case
I do not think that it has sometime to do with capitalism. Everyone is using fossiles, because they are cheap and abundant. Every form of government etc. used them if they had access to them.
The same way everyone drives cars, even tho accidents are the 3rd highest cause of death. They do that because it is convenient etc.
Would the timeline have been the same?
Solar panels at least use a lot of imported materials from what I’ve read. So similar issues there. Not sure which ends up as the lesser evil for the third world.
I find it fascinating that we’re all here on lemmy to be part of a more distributed social media since monopolies obviously come with serious consequences.
And then there are still tons of people who’d prefer nuclear, which usually means some big company having a lot of power on a basic need for society, as if there it suddenly does make sense to want huge companies have all the power.
Regardless of whether nuclear is safe or not, or if the waste is a problem or not, the entire reason you’re on lemmy and not on reddit should be the same reason why you’d prefer solar & wind over nuclear.
Uhhh what? Why couldn’t nuclear energy be government funded and owned?
naah, places like France and China don’t exist.
You are making a LOT of really bad assumptions on why people are on Lemmy and why some think Nuclear energy has a place in the entry supply chains for at least the next several hundred years ( unless the current paradigm changes radically).