Maybe its the psych nurse in me who already likes watching people come out of a depression but that’s what it most looks like with (most) of the people I’ve known, especially those that need hormones / surgery to improve their mental health. Like the ones that look bony or bloated or ashy or greasy with circles under their eyes and matted beadhead and uncontrolled acne everywhere from not wanting to look at themselves in the mirror or touch their own naked body in the shower. It’s not everyone’s story but watching the ones who do come out of that is one of the most satisfying things I’ve ever seen! How do you watch that and not be hyped by it? Like I get that not everybody is willing to wash another person’s butt to get there but you can’t even admire the result?
Like I get that not everybody is willing to wash another person’s butt to get there but you can’t even admire the result?
It’s a mindset thing. To give an example, think of the “meat is murder” vegans. A hamburger is a marvel of ingenuity considering its worldwide success, yet to the people who vividly picture how it’s produced from start to finish the end result isn’t something to be admired.
The disgust is self-inflicted because their set of values cannot reconcile with the method used or the whole process itself.
I understand the analogy it’s just a bad one. It references a second set of moral values that are largely unrelated but that people can also have strong yet varied opinions on. That muddles the meaning significantly for most people.
The point being made is that people can’t appreciate the progress of someone’s journey towards peace with their own physical body -> even though they have very little to do with the messy internal parts of the process -> because they find the entire concept morally objectionable.
Which isn’t actually wrong; that is what’s happening. People are letting their very narrow and rigid set of morals interfere with being able to see the beauty of the metamorphosis in front of them. They’re too stuck on whether or not the concept itself relates to what somebody told them the bible means in Sunday School at 8 years old instead of critically evaluating… anything and everything? about those beliefs and how they relate to the well-being of the humans they actually share the world with.
I’ve met annoying vegans and I’ve met annoying “carnivores,” but I’ve also met a lot of other people who are annoying for a lot of different reasons and it doesn’t really benefit this discussion.
That’s what drew your attention? It’s not the example itself that matters, but what it tries to convey. Still, let me try with another example and if it’s not good enough, then you’re more than welcome to bring your own.
In the above comment, that I’m replying to, the commenter’s set of values cannot reconcile with the method used or the whole process itself and as such is more likely to express disgust towards the end result.
Is the argument that because there is a manufacturing process involved in making a hamburger that the suffering is worth it? I didn’t torture anyone to transition.
Maybe its the psych nurse in me who already likes watching people come out of a depression but that’s what it most looks like with (most) of the people I’ve known, especially those that need hormones / surgery to improve their mental health. Like the ones that look bony or bloated or ashy or greasy with circles under their eyes and matted beadhead and uncontrolled acne everywhere from not wanting to look at themselves in the mirror or touch their own naked body in the shower. It’s not everyone’s story but watching the ones who do come out of that is one of the most satisfying things I’ve ever seen! How do you watch that and not be hyped by it? Like I get that not everybody is willing to wash another person’s butt to get there but you can’t even admire the result?
It’s a mindset thing. To give an example, think of the “meat is murder” vegans. A hamburger is a marvel of ingenuity considering its worldwide success, yet to the people who vividly picture how it’s produced from start to finish the end result isn’t something to be admired.
The disgust is self-inflicted because their set of values cannot reconcile with the method used or the whole process itself.
So you think hambörger is more beautiful than a cow’s life?
Did you just compare transitioning to making hamburger?
I understand the analogy it’s just a bad one. It references a second set of moral values that are largely unrelated but that people can also have strong yet varied opinions on. That muddles the meaning significantly for most people.
The point being made is that people can’t appreciate the progress of someone’s journey towards peace with their own physical body -> even though they have very little to do with the messy internal parts of the process -> because they find the entire concept morally objectionable.
Which isn’t actually wrong; that is what’s happening. People are letting their very narrow and rigid set of morals interfere with being able to see the beauty of the metamorphosis in front of them. They’re too stuck on whether or not the concept itself relates to what somebody told them the bible means in Sunday School at 8 years old instead of critically evaluating… anything and everything? about those beliefs and how they relate to the well-being of the humans they actually share the world with.
I’ve met annoying vegans and I’ve met annoying “carnivores,” but I’ve also met a lot of other people who are annoying for a lot of different reasons and it doesn’t really benefit this discussion.
It’s a pretty nonsensical analogy. I think they just wanted to complain about vegans.
That’s what drew your attention? It’s not the example itself that matters, but what it tries to convey. Still, let me try with another example and if it’s not good enough, then you’re more than welcome to bring your own.
In the above comment, that I’m replying to, the commenter’s set of values cannot reconcile with the method used or the whole process itself and as such is more likely to express disgust towards the end result.
Hope it’s better, else, please partake.
Is the argument that because there is a manufacturing process involved in making a hamburger that the suffering is worth it? I didn’t torture anyone to transition.
Did you just compare being trans to being vegan?
I mean it’s a great comparison, just not for any of those reasons