Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz announced Wednesday a major expansion of the military’s operation in Gaza involving the seizure of large areas of land that would be “incorporated into Israel’s security zones.”
Yeah but at least we could have retained our domestic civil liberties and our own right to civilly protest the genocide under the other guys? Now we have nothing, less than nothing.
Trump is, in more than one way, your punishment for trying to have civil liberties at home while funding genocide abroad. That contradiction was only ever going to result in one thing and that was Trump.
LOL, you think most Americans, let alone most Democrats, support funding genocide abroad?
Also, I love how people constantly blame anyone but the far right and their decades-long efforts for the culmination of donvict slithering into office. No one deserves a shitstain like donvict ruining the country and working to make the entire world worse.
LOL, you think most Americans, let alone most Democrats, support funding genocide abroad?
Not enthusiastic support, but “Let’s wait for Later™ before we do anything about this” is also support. The resulting anti-dissent defensive herd mentality is proof of that. You’ll probably defend that as “strategic voting” or “picking your battles” or whatever, but nothing less than a resolute “No” is acceptable as a response to genocide.
No one deserves a shitstain like donvict ruining the country and working to make the entire world worse.
Really? Because I can think of a few names. And in the first place things are only getting worse for the first world; the destruction of the American-European imperial alliance will be met with celebration over here, but let’s not lose sight of the point. Keeping your civil rights without opposing genocide was a losing proposition from the very start, and no amount or “hold your nose and vote for her” will change that.
Again, the only two choices were: donvict or Kamala. That’s it. Nothing else. Best option was to vote Democratic all down the ticket then do everything possible to lean on Democrats to stop supporting Israel.
Keeping your civil rights without opposing genocide was a losing proposition
Again, the only two choices were: donvict or Kamala. That’s it. Nothing else. Best option was to vote Democratic all down the ticket then do everything possible to lean on Democrats to stop supporting Israel.
No. You could’ve leaned on the Democrats to stop supporting Israel before voting, while they still needed you. Leaning on them after the election would’ve had absolutely no effect and you know it. Relinquishing your right to act during the only time where you have a chance of success is indistinguishable from inaction, hence Americans chose not to oppose genocide.
Yes, two choices: to resist, or to not resist. You could’ve admittedly defeat after actually doing something, but with how things actually went down? I’m perfectly willing to say that Trump is America’s just desserts.
…We are literally in a thread that started with liberals blaming the results of the election on the victims of a liberal-funded genocide. Look in the mirror
We could have also not have a dept of DOGE, but that’s not the argument here. Enough whataboutism and just accept that there was no US candidate that was actual stand up to Israel.
You were willing to sacrifice foreigners in exchange for your safety.
Those deaths did nothing to enhance our safety. They may have added to the power and wealth of a few of Netanyahu’s cronies, and probably his family members. That’s all.
I suppose we’ll never know…outside of the fact Biden was still providing bombs up until the end of his term. Maybe he would have just stopped, but all of his actions refute the idea.
If you look at Harris’ history and the constituency of the DNC in general as compared to that of the RNC, no, I think it’s fair to say that her presidency would have been very different when it comes to Israel. Keep in mind, that Trump getting elected basically have Netanyahu a multi-day orgasm. There’s a good reason for this. Likewise, all of Likud and the Kahanists.
Yeah, no, sorry, not sorry, if you can’t see the difference between boden and Trump then you’re an idiot. I’m fresh out of patience for people claiming the cheeto isn’t that bad
Several members of my wife’s family were massacred in the nakba, and my wife and kids narrowly escaped being bombed in Beirut in 2006. And I can say with full confidence that you are babbling incoherently.
The cheeto isn’t not that bad. The Democratic establishment is just that bad when it comes to Palestine. The cheeto is still as bad as can be, but in this particular case the Democrats also are.
C’mon Jack, Biden was still shipping munitions until his last days in office. None of those assholes we’re going to stop this
Yeah but at least we could have retained our domestic civil liberties and our own right to civilly protest the genocide under the other guys? Now we have nothing, less than nothing.
Trump is, in more than one way, your punishment for trying to have civil liberties at home while funding genocide abroad. That contradiction was only ever going to result in one thing and that was Trump.
LOL, you think most Americans, let alone most Democrats, support funding genocide abroad?
Also, I love how people constantly blame anyone but the far right and their decades-long efforts for the culmination of donvict slithering into office. No one deserves a shitstain like donvict ruining the country and working to make the entire world worse.
The centrist wing has no other policy they’re willing to actually go to bat for.
I’m talking about the voters. How many Democratic voters want genocide in Gaza?
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Not enthusiastic support, but “Let’s wait for Later™ before we do anything about this” is also support. The resulting anti-dissent defensive herd mentality is proof of that. You’ll probably defend that as “strategic voting” or “picking your battles” or whatever, but nothing less than a resolute “No” is acceptable as a response to genocide.
Really? Because I can think of a few names. And in the first place things are only getting worse for the first world; the destruction of the American-European imperial alliance will be met with celebration over here, but let’s not lose sight of the point. Keeping your civil rights without opposing genocide was a losing proposition from the very start, and no amount or “hold your nose and vote for her” will change that.
Again, the only two choices were: donvict or Kamala. That’s it. Nothing else. Best option was to vote Democratic all down the ticket then do everything possible to lean on Democrats to stop supporting Israel.
Exactly WHO was proposing that?
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No. You could’ve leaned on the Democrats to stop supporting Israel before voting, while they still needed you. Leaning on them after the election would’ve had absolutely no effect and you know it. Relinquishing your right to act during the only time where you have a chance of success is indistinguishable from inaction, hence Americans chose not to oppose genocide.
Two choices. That’s all we had realistically.
Keep gloating that we had no anti-genocide candidate.
Both candidates represented you perfectly.
Yes, two choices: to resist, or to not resist. You could’ve admittedly defeat after actually doing something, but with how things actually went down? I’m perfectly willing to say that Trump is America’s just desserts.
You never deserved those liberties if it means you’re okay with enabling genocide.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that anyone ever listened to my opinion on the subject.
You the People of America had a year-long referendum on the subject.
I’m sure additional victim blaming will win the progressives the next election for sure.
…We are literally in a thread that started with liberals blaming the results of the election on the victims of a liberal-funded genocide. Look in the mirror
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We could have also not have a dept of DOGE, but that’s not the argument here. Enough whataboutism and just accept that there was no US candidate that was actual stand up to Israel.
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Those deaths did nothing to enhance our safety. They may have added to the power and wealth of a few of Netanyahu’s cronies, and probably his family members. That’s all.
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Yeaaaahh, but would it have been the exact same? Would it have been juuuust as bad as it is now, and will become, soon?
I suppose we’ll never know…outside of the fact Biden was still providing bombs up until the end of his term. Maybe he would have just stopped, but all of his actions refute the idea.
If you look at Harris’ history and the constituency of the DNC in general as compared to that of the RNC, no, I think it’s fair to say that her presidency would have been very different when it comes to Israel. Keep in mind, that Trump getting elected basically have Netanyahu a multi-day orgasm. There’s a good reason for this. Likewise, all of Likud and the Kahanists.
Yeah, no, sorry, not sorry, if you can’t see the difference between boden and Trump then you’re an idiot. I’m fresh out of patience for people claiming the cheeto isn’t that bad
There are many differences between trump & biden, but not when it comes to Israel.
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Several members of my wife’s family were massacred in the nakba, and my wife and kids narrowly escaped being bombed in Beirut in 2006. And I can say with full confidence that you are babbling incoherently.
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The cheeto isn’t not that bad. The Democratic establishment is just that bad when it comes to Palestine. The cheeto is still as bad as can be, but in this particular case the Democrats also are.