• spujb@lemmy.cafeOP
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    3 days ago

    It’s sad to me that you feel the need to disavow genuine discussion of men’s mental and emotional health as “overexaggerated cringe.” That shit kills.

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      3 days ago

      See that’s just it, though, I explicitly did the apposite of what you just suggested. I disavowed disingenuine discussion.

      If anything, it’s sad to me that you feel the need to label our enemies as mentally ill. I think a good way to approach societal issues like this doesn’t involve exaggerated labels and dramatizations to denigrate them as weak incompetents, rather we should acknowledge that they are human beings and the default state of human beings is to lower the standing of others and empower ourselves. We’re greedy and selfish as a default. We need to built systems to mitigate damage done to each other, just like the Civil Rights Bill did.

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        3 days ago

        I did not label anyone as the enemy? You seem to be drastically misunderstanding this whole thing in that case. Men are victims under patriarchy, too. That is in fact the whole point of this post. The enemy is the patriarchy, a systemic structure.

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          3 days ago

          I mean, Patriarchy is my enemy so if it’s not your enemy then I don’t think we can be friends, lol

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            3 days ago

            Ah you are deeply equivocating two distinct terms. Men, as women, can suffer from mental illness. The patriarchy is a system, not some person or group, and cannot suffer from mental illness. Your misunderstanding of these terms is getting in your way.

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              3 days ago

              As with any political ideology, the Patriarchy is represented by people, and addressing it goes in tow with the people who come to mind.

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                3 days ago

                Sounds like you believe only men can perpetuate the patriarchy, yet this is false. See here for a list of quotes from feminist voices expressing that women, too, perpetuate misogyny: https://lemmy.cafe/comment/9072032

                And I’ll end the conversation here since you seem to have nothing better to bring to the table than downvotes. Please feel free to peruse my other recent comments, which all address similar concerns.