• JackbyDev@programming.dev
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        4 months ago

        If the system is shitty enough to allow negative tips then I would also think it might be shitty enough to do something like treat it as unsigned and add a 4,294,967,196% tip.

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      4 months ago

      I’ve started to do that. If I don’t see 10-20% options, I’ve started doing no tip–even if I would have tipped more.

      It irks me.

      They’d done some data analysis and I guess if you show higher percentages people just click them. So I am bringing it back to reality with my 0%.

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        4 months ago

        Many people habitually click the lowest option, so they made the lowest option outrageously high. Fuck tips, I always go for a flat zero.

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    4 months ago

    I just click No Tip and then remind myself “It is not my responsibility to subsidize the business owner paying their employees.”

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    Christ these comments are horrifying

    A few fuckers tried this on me at a restaurant in Greece last year.

    The proper reaction is not to click “no tip” then cower in case someone judges you.

    The proper reaction is to click “no tip” then get on every fuckin review site you can find and every social media site the restaurant is on, and leave 1-star reviews for spoiling my fucking lunch by begging for money. Put the price I pay on the menu, or fuck off.

    I’ll tip a max of 10% if I want to. That’s generous where I am

    Fuck that, your whole point of hospitality is to make me feel comfortable, not uncomfortable.

    If you don’t do this, you’re the reason it still happens.

    Incidentally, was back in Greece this year and only got harassed for a tip once. Anecdotal but hey, felt like I made a difference

  • circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org
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    4 months ago

    This whole system is designed so that the public subsidizes poorly run businesses.

    The only way to make it stop is to force such businesses through legislation to pay their employees more, and to do that you have to get past the “but my business will close / but they’ll replace us with AI / but the market says…” crowd.

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        4 months ago

        100%. To be clear, I’m not defending any of those kinds of arguments – they just make it difficult for these kinds of changes to happen from a practical standpoint.

        Companies will replace all workers with AI or other automation regardless of anything happening with wages. It’s their only option for the endless growth they claim they need.

    • sudo42@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      In California, restaurants were sneaking in 3% upcharges. They started out as “we’re adding 3% to pay the state-mandated health care costs for our employees.” It quickly progressed to “we’re add 5% to your total bill because fuck you.”

      California recently mandated that practice illegal and requires all “extra fees” to be reflected in the prices instead.

      Multiple restaurants stated (in public… recorded on TV, no less) that they “would lose business if they stopped this practice because then customers would know how much they’re paying up front.”

      I was amazed at their candor. These “entrepreneurs” don’t even know how to be embarrassed by their greed anymore.

    • barsquid@lemmy.world
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      Wasn’t there a comic going around about pro-laborer regulations throughout history, like, “giving them two days off each week will kill me,” “taking child laborers out of the mines will kill me,” “covering up all the giant exposed gears in the facility will kill me,” and so on?

    • howrar@lemmy.ca
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      That’s a weird way to phrase it. Customers are always “subsidizing” businesses by paying for their goods/services. That’s how businesses work, whether they’re well run or not. What tips do is hide the cost of what you’re buying. It was at least possible to calculate it yourself when everyone agreed on the standard 15% and only at places like dine-in restaurants. But that’s no longer the case, so how much you’re expected to pay is a mystery until you’re handed the machine.

  • Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works
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    I don’t support the idea of tipping. The responsibility shouldn’t fall on the consumer to ensure that employees are paid well — that competition is, and should be, between the employer and employee — tipping encourages employers to underpay their employees and artificially reduces their overhead. It makes even less sense when one considers people who set their own rates, eg hair stylists — one should charge what they think their service is worth. If no one is willing to pay the price of the service, then the service isn’t worth the price — tips will just end up artificially inflating prices. Furthermore, it just rubs salt in the wound when taxes, ie VAT, are charged after tipping.

  • padge@lemmy.zip
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    4 months ago

    I don’t mind tipping even at casual cafes and stuff because I used to work at a pizza place and the tips helped a lot. But if the LOWEST option is 30% I’m selecting no tip.

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      4 months ago

      I find no need to tip for someone filling a cup of coffee and setting it on the counter. Maybe if they’re making some complicated drink but even then…come on

      • Gestrid@lemmy.ca
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        4 months ago

        The standard I grew up with was 15%. Excellent service got 20%. Subpar service got 10%. Horrible service got 0%.