Was reminded how Epstien not killing himself was/is so accepted yet it’s still a conspiracy theory. Is there any similar ones you guys believe to be completely true ?
MLK was killed by the US Government/with Government warning and approval not because of his policies on race, but because his message was getting (though somewhat always had been) socialist/anti-capitalist, and between the historic fear of slave revolts, the new fear of communist revolutions, and the monied business interests not wanting to cede any power they ended MLK to prevent potential calls for a social revolution.
It’s insane how many left leaning leaders were assassinated. And it isn’t a coincidence that it was during the red scare. What we KNOW about McCarthyism is crazy enough, now think of all the stuff they wouldn’t say out loud to fight the “red menace.”
J Edgar Hoover wanted to round up all the “leftists” and put them in camps.
I put quotes around leftist because simply not hating black people was enough to get you on that list.
Fun new things keep coming out.
People are so unaware how common politically motivated murder was in the late 19th/early 20th century in the US. Our country is rittled with shallow graves belonging to labor and civil rights activists. Wikipedia for example has a list documenting anti-labor murders totaling just over 1100 that we know of. Much of that violence was especially targeted towards black labor organizers.
In both the BLM movement and OWS, leaders and organizers were still meeting untimely deaths and I don’t think the clandestine agencies of government have changed enough, (or at all), to rule them out.
Also tupac and biggie got removed becuase they spoke about things elites didnt like to be replaced by the prosperity rap clowns to worship them and their money to the plebs.
sardines are actually a cheap, nutritious and filling dinner
That ones not really a conspiracy. We know the FBI did it.
People just don’t care, which is the most fucked up part
That doesn’t make it not a conspiracy, it makes it not a conspiracy theory. Instead, it is a factual conspiracy that is just not well known.
People care, but what are you going to do? Until the majority is ready to violently overthrow corrupt institutions you’re stuck with it. Now getting the majority to agree on which ones are corrupt… hoo boy. Good luck, America.
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Do you really think making a martyr out of MLK is a strategy the US gov wouldn’t have anticipated had they murdered him/let him be murdered?
Dude would not be what he is today had he not been murdered.
But as a martyr the government can paint him as being only about racism, not about economics.
Also he was assassinated 4 years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, so to say he wouldnt remembered without being killed is a gross exaggeration. It may have boosted his legacy, but there is not doubt he would still be an important figure in American history.
Have you ever listened to MLK speak or read anything he’s written? Dude would absolutely be what he is today if he had not been murdered.
Have you ever listened to MLK speak or read anything he’s written?
No I was raised in Antarctica.
Dude would absolutely be what he is today if he had not been murdered.
Not a chance. There is no shortage of motivational speakers in this world.
Just the boring one: That all the exciting conspiracies (and other stuff like “culture wars”) are there to distract from the banal reality of most people and the world being exploited by a few selfish assholes.
Seems pertinent that US politicians suddenly mentioned a totally reliable account about possible aliens just as people’s unrest over their cost of living and the excesses of the wealthy has been rising.
Exactly. It struck me that they must be diverting attention from something when they came out with the alien stuff
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You don’t need a shadowy conspiracy when you make it legal to bribe politicians and write the laws for them. It’s all done out in the open. Regulators and board rooms have revolving doors for the same few people, and they all make insanely disgusting amounts of money while the rest of us suffer.
I’m not saying a few people fucking over the rest is a conspiracy theory.
I’m saying that all those conspiracy theories people love to discuss are pushed to capture the attention of those people and have them think they’re involved in something important and spend all their energy on that, so the assholes can keep on fucking them over without much resistance.
It’s interesting that the big “revelations” of conspiracy are things we jokingly referenced and always kind of knew:
Movie executives forcing women to sleep with them or be sexually assaulted to be able to work in the industry.
The catholic church sexually abusing children and covering it up.
Buying votes and Supreme Court judgements.
So what are we joking about now but not doing anything about? Russia owning an entire political party through blackmail? The Left is indoctrinating and grooming kids into thinking that their assigned-at-birth gender might not be their real gender and that non-heterosexual and nonmonogamous relationships are as legitimate as those Ordained By God and that pregnancy planning, prevention, and terminating is a women’s health care issue between them and their doctor and nobody else (I mean… yeah. I guess that conspiracy is openly true and not really a conspiracy but an openly stated goal, and not that we should be trying to prevent or stop it).
Industries are making bad products on purpose to weed out consumers with standards, therefore breeding a crop of consumers that exist only to give their money to them if they ask.
Trump conspired against the USA.
Fact. Not a theory.
in the United States of America you would be innocent until proven guilty. Yet, I believe he is guilty. And, to answer not only your question but also our friends here :
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@toiletobserver
i search this …2023 Aug. 3, Trump pleaded not guilty to three counts of conspiracy and one count of obstruction, all related to the Jan. 6 insurrection. (many sources easy to find).
Finally, I also believe he should be found guilty in many other such cases.
I agree. I think that he knew that Russia was going to attack Ukraine. (It is weird how trump got involved with Zelensky during that infamous phone call.)
Trump tried to get us (US) out of NATO so bad because then we would be free to use our military power in favor of Russia against Ukraine.
Which time?
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Conspiracies require more than one actor. Who are the others? Otherwise, he’s just a bloated orange painted Cheeto with objectively tiny hands committing crimes.
Not sure if you’ve followed just the “alternate” electors plot, but that alone is pretty conspiratorial.
He was literally indicted (in part) for conspiracy. There are easily findable legal documents that list all the others.
His lawyers, some of his staff in the white house and kid rock
Probably Roger Stone too
Do your research on the case and the answers will be very obvious.
Basically all the stuff black people and leftists learn about Reagan. I’m not sure if it’s even still a conspiracy theory but his campaign made a deal with Iran to not free the hostages until after Election Day. They funded Nicaraguan contras by allowing cocaine shipments to inner cities (which led directly to the crack epidemic). Iran-Contra is obviously all accepted history but all the context gets treated as conspiracy theories.
Gary Webb, the journalist that exposed the Reagan Admin - Nicaraguan Contra - crack cocaine thing, is one of those “committed suicide w/ multiple shots” assassinations where the official story is so sketchy, you wonder if they were sending a message to other nosy journalists about what they can get away with.
He also closed (rather than overhauling/updating) mental health facilities, dramatically increasing the homeless population.
I genuinely think they have a cult like belief that they need to fuck over poor people as much as possible to maintain a society in which they can be above the law, infinitely powerful and wealthy.
Everything they’re doing seems calculated to cause problems and ruin solutions.
Dude if you haven’t read it, Dark Alliance is about the CIA’s cocaine contras and it’s pretty eye opening.
Uh I haven’t but isn’t that written by Gary Webb?
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Was there a massive behind-the-scenes NWO plan between billionnaires, old aristocracy and top politicians to fuck up the world, reduce population etc? No, the world ran its natural, chaotic course for most of history.
Is there this kind of conspiracy now?
ABSOLUTELY YES.
In 2023 it is not possible to have any influence and not be aware of the climate disaster. Anyone who does have big influence and does not act to mitigate warming and its consequences is doing it willingly and with full conscience. Doubly so if they act to worsen the situation. It’s almost like the elites read some of the crackhead theories and thought “hey, this is actually a decent plan!”
It might feel almost like that but there’s no conspiracy, just power doing what only power can: protecting itself. These people have billions tied up in fossil fuels; oil wells and coal mines but also the products which rely on them. Tesla is only profitable because it sells its carbon credits to carbon-reliant manufacturers.
None of these people would exactly be left in dire straits if we stopped using carbon fuels tomorrow. But they would lose most of their wealth and thus most of their power.
There are undoubtedly small-scale conspiracies, such as various oil companies covering up what they knew about global warming decades ago, or misleading accounts of emissions. But there is no grand (explicit) conspiracy, just tips and tricks and extremely rich people refusing to become merely rich. Even if it means planning escape bunkers and working out how to control the servants they will need to take with them when their money means nothing any more.
Yes. And they know protecting themselves means destroying lives of billions so they need to make sure the billions won’t go after them. And since the masses are also aware of the situation it means at least short-term planning against the people. This requires at least basic coordination between interest groups and gradual capturing of whatever means of power are still left for the masses. Then they figure out how easy it is to wield even more power and off we go to the land of the tin foil headwear.
Id say we repalce millionares, politicians and all of the leadership with A.I. Im convinced that it will pretty much save us from ourselves, or at least from ashole leadership since they are not capable of making decisions for the greater good, specially when it comes to inequality and global warming. Democracy is a lie, we are playing a videogame and we are the little brother with an unpluged controler being made to think that we are playing, but we are not and the controller is just so that we dont riot.
AI simply reproduces the world it has obtained all its content from. It’s not intelligent in any way, shape or form. It’s a system perpetuator and it’s not going to save you.
But we are close, and it could probably do a better job than the leadership that we have right now if we feed it with the right data. But when i mean A.I. i dont mean language models or machine learning, I mean the singularity type thing that can get better and realize when its failing so that it can correct it and itself.
We’re not close at all. It’s good at some well-defined tasks, that’s all. It is not intelligent, it cannot think, it is not capable of ruling the world and neither should we want it to. “Hey, here’s all the fucking terrible decisions humans have made in the past, copy them.”
I say that we should feed it diferent data and tune its performance before we set it out, of course we are not gonna put chat gpt as it is as the president and pray, of course not, and yes its not inteligent, neither are our leaders, but it would be able to control logistics amd enforce a judiciary system in a fair way . I think that you are simply not open to that idea and i respect that since there are a lot of risks to the A.I. thing, like it going full skynet on us, but imho it shouldnt do that unless we explicitly program it to destroy all humans, and you cant denny that the cycle of corruption with human leadership is just gonna continue no matter what system or people we put on the kings throne, and given time it will always fail or default into tyrany and fascism. Communism is unacheabable, they never get past the dictatorship part, democracy (even if voting actually did something) ends up defaulting into a popularity contest and the masses in all honestly can be terribly wrong be it by willingly having bad hatefull takes or by being manipulated, and i think i really shouldnt explain why tyrany or fascism are wrong, and anarchic comunities work only in a very small scale like tribes or small villages and even then they are usually reigned by religious believes and traditions. You could have something going with social democracies, but the problem of corruption is always present, and it suffers the same problem as democracies. The only thing that might work is the warhamer thing with the god emperor, (stick with me, im serious on this one) in like the golden age of humanity, since by ourselves we are never acheaving unity, we would need an all powerfull figure to trully unite us all, and since we dont have magical psichic neandertals, and religion is a no go, id say that an omnipresesnt benevolent, A.I. is the next best thing.
FFS
I’d put the cutoff between the “natural” history and emerging NWO around 1995. From whatever little I know the Clinton administration wanted to seriously tackle climate change and use it to reestablish the US as global leader in some regards. In 1992 the first attempt at global climate treaty was sabotaged by big business lobby and it kinda went downhill from there.
One of the first things Reagan did when he took office was take down the solar panels from the White House that Jimmy Carter had put up there.
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fascinating, and also good to have it all in one place.
the subtle bitcoin shill at the end is a cherry on top.
No doubt some bullshit happened in economic policies and capitalist influence, oil crises had their hand, but 1971 is conveniently 26 years after the end of WW2. Which means the boomers entered the job market and society for real.
The Powell Memo was written in 1971.
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I believe that Russia has dirt on a number of prominent Republicans. Trump is a given, what with his shady Russian financing, his connection to Epstein, the tape mentioned in the Steele dossier. But I think that there were a number of anti-Trumpers who turned on a dime. Lindsey Graham, for example, was very anti Trump for months and then became his biggest cheerleader literally overnight.
I think Russia had planned to damage Hillary in 2016, but never imagined that their man Trump would actually beat her. I think when they realized they had their man in the white house, they went all in, and used every bit of leverage they had to help him gain control of the party.
This really isn’t a conspiracy, it’s pretty much just fact. The Mueller report was damning in showing the trump Russia connection. If we had sane bribery laws and a doj willing to prosecute it’d be a slam dunk. (Our bribery laws practically require an elected official while exercising their elected power to say “I’m doing this because of a sweet bribe”. Nothing less qualifies). Literally half of it was dedicated to Trump Russian connections.
The Senate intelligence report on Russian election interference confirmed the Mueller report, that the Russians were working to get trump into office.
For Trump it’s not so much dirt but he got a lot funding after he was a disgraced business man in the 90s that hasn’t been sourced. I always thought he got it from Russia leading towards his allegiance to them.
Russia hacked RNC and DNC servers and released only the interesting stuff from the Democrats’ servers. Never heard a peep of what they found on the RNC side but you can be certain it was way more shady than the little bit that came out about Democrats.
I think it’s that information plus probably longstanding financial ties to Russian donors that keeps many Republicans under Russian influence.
Feds could have stopped 9/11, but chose not to.
As far as I understand they could have stopped it but it would have required them swallowing their pride and sharing their data and cooperating with “rival” agencies.
It was actually Sonic
Lmfao seems reasonable, hopefully he’ll be held accountable
The Looming Tower is a fantastic mini series which covers the inter agency bullshit that allowed it to happen
Yah, not really conspiracy, but BS that allowed bad things.
The real truth of 9/11 is far darker than the idea that it was an inside job. It being an inside job implies that the Bush administration was competent.
I mean, Bush and Saudi families have been friends for generations. Doesn’t seem too far fetched for them to work together.
They had all the information on 911 but all in different agencies and different people who didn’t connect the dots.
After blm and j6, I am assuming feds did it.
No big ticket item crime in US gets done with out them playing at least some role.
Hell they don’t even need to do much. A few internet comments, and bada bing bada boom, you got a headline.
Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is ultimately responsible for 1999 bombings, if you count is as a conspiracy theory that is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings
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Kremlinology tripped me up way more than it should have.
wth though. Call we contemporary American Political Analysis WhiteHouseology? WashingtonDCology?
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Just like we have audio evidence that Russia shot down that plane back in 2014
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and it happened again, and again, and again. russians get broke/angry -> manufacture crisis -> blame the outsider -> invade them -> putin remains a master strategist
We’re either alone as an intelligent species in this galaxy or the great filter is true
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter
Even with our current level of technology which has gone from first flight to landing on the moon in just 66 years we could colonize the entire galaxy in 200 million years which is a blink of an eye.
I think life is common but humans are special or we’re fucked.
I don’t believe Lee Harvey Oswald managed to plan the Kennedy assassination all by himself.
It’s really odd to me that after all these years we don’t have any solid proof. It seems so bizarre and unlikely that he did it by himself but also equally bizarre and unlikely that it happened and there is no proof
The way I see it, if it was a conspiracy it was done in just about the dumbest way possible.
Moving target and you don’t make sure there was someone to concretely place Oswald on the floor at the time of the shooting?
If it’s the CIA/FBI/any of the 3 letter agencies, there were so many better opportunities when JFK was standing still on a stage
Please keep in mind:
The CIA and FBI are not, and have never been, good at their jobs. They do dumb and reckless shit constantly, both in the past and today.
For examples please see Fidel Castro
Trust me I’m well aware that a large portion of their power comes from the doublethink of “they’re incompetent fools” and “their power is limitless and they’re all knowing”.
Doesn’t change the fact that even a bumbling idiot knows its easier to shoot a guy that’s standing still than one moving in a car
It was mafia.
I met a guy who was there, Sam Pate. He was a radio reporter covering the event. He said the storm drains were larger then and the killer went down, took the tunnels, and was on a plane from Love to Chicago by the time Kennedy was pronounced dead at parkland.
Over thirty people making videos it taking pictures in the plaza, every story and statement poured over time and time again in intricate detail… And we’re still no where near a consensus opinion on what happened.
I think Oswald acted alone and got two shots with one making contact and the other hitting the curb. The kill shot was from a Secret Service agent who fell forward in a moving vehicle.
Oh, the AR-15 got JFK too? Sheeit. /s
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Two great books that touch on this: Dr Mary’s monkey and Mary’s mosaic.
Two different people named Mary, but both go deep down the JFK rabbit hole.
2012 is the end of the world
I certainly haven’t felt alive since.
So this is dark, but… my brother died in 2012 and nothing has felt the same since so… slightly different reasoning but I’ve been saying this for years.
My partner died in 2013 and I feel like the world has gone tits up ever since, in a way he wouldn’t believe. Like if it somehow turned out he’d been in a coma all this time and woke up and I had to catch him up on the last 10 years he’d tell me to fuck off out of here with this bullshit.
Now that you mention it, it went pretty downhill from then. Is this the underworld?
i have actually heard a theory that it did end in 2012 but that the infinite life parallel universe thing (forgot what its called but when you just go to a new universe when you die in the current one) was/is true
There is a cabal arranging to rebuild the US under fascism. I have no proofcicles or datacakes.
Yeah, it’s called the GOP. The source is anyone with eyes, ears, and a functional brain.
it’s the heritage foundation, the plan is called project 2025 and it’s all out in the open at this point
I thought it was 2035?
Or am I mixing up the dates because it’s speculated that without a very blatant push to consolidate power at any cost, the GOP will almost certainly never win a national election and even become a longshot to get control of either House of Congress with their current ideology after 2035?
Idk. I for one would be pretty cool with another paradigm shift and the GOP flys way to the left and the already center right DNC takes up the mantle of being the conservative party again. Power is power after all right? If they really wanna be the kingmakers, this would be my fever dream.
We’re really hot right now because the earth is trying to kill us. It got a taste of peace during COVID and wants more.
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Haliburton and Raytheon. Cheney and Rumsfield.
Man I wish we still tarred and featherd people. If anyone ever deserved it it’s those two. Bush was just a useful idiot chosen because he was “a guy you could drink a beer with at a bar.”
Iraq having WMD was an intentional lie and you’ll pretty much never convince me otherwise (unless there’s irrefutable evidence of course lol)
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Elaborate on the history simulation please. I’ve never heard of that one
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Holy shit. That’s interesting and grim
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Did we buy much oil from Iraq?
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