Yeah, profit is legitimately a problem, this guy Adam Smith wrote about it in a book and then Marx wrote a whole series of tomes doing a more comprehensive analysis about how it is unsustainable and to the detriment of humanity.
Yeah, youre a member of the rentier class, not the capitalist class.
The critique is actually different for rentierism vs capitalism, even most capitalist economicists hate rentierism. You’re collectively a parasitic class even to the capitalists because you increase their operating costs indirectly for no benefit. Earnestly no offense, as class analysis is about understanding structures, not moralizing.
You still benefit from extractivist class dynamics. Unless you’re going to be in the red even after selling the properties you own, even if you’re charging so low that you lose money in the short term. But I’m guessing that on aggregate over time you’re gaining money in the short term.
It is more than my opinion, it is literally the academic concensus on the subject, including pro-capitalist economic theorists in the consensus. You’d literally have to go back to the divine right of kings being an intellectual position taken seriously to find a consensus in support of rentierism.
Now, of course, feel free to be an anti-intellectual about it. Your opinion as someone who hasn’t read a lot of political economic theory is just as valid as the mainstream academic concensus among economicists and political economicists.
You know nothing about me or my reading choices or knowledge. I could cite tons of capitalist garbage in favor of renterism, but that would be just as meaningless as your tripe. Point is renting is a business, like any other. The business owner can fleece customers or treat them like humans. We choose to be the latter, we choose to treat our renters fairly and give them an excellent service, and if that’s too difficult for you to separate from your prejudice for that facet of capitalism I see no reason to waste further conversation on the subject.
could cite tons of capitalist garbage in favor of renterism
Okay. Do it then.
Point is renting is a business, like any other.
It is literally distinct enough that we define the rentier class separately from the capitalist class
The business owner can fleece customers or treat them like humans. We choose to be the latter, we choose to treat our renters fairly and give them an excellent service, and if that’s too difficult for you to separate from your prejudice for that facet of capitalism I see no reason to waste further conversation on the subject.
Can you please seperate systemic critique from moralizing? The point isn’t to call you a bad person, in the same way ecology isn’t about calling mosquitos evil. You’re frankly missing the point by being defensive and arguing “okay but some mosquitos don’t carry malaria”
No. No, I don’t think so. I’m not going to sit here, waste my time making a case, and be your whipping boy for every piece of shit landlord or landowning conglomerate that treats tenants like numbers to be squeezed for profit. You’re not here in good faith, your mind is made up, so there’s no point. This isn’t systemic critique, this is about me stepping in and trying to point out we’re not all bastards and we treat people well, but that doesn’t matter here. You’ve made a completely manufactured position that has no real world basis that you’re trying to make me defend, I’m sure some form of rent has existed since before the pyramids so there’s no case for me to make. Rent is a default position for those that don’t own, unless we’re going to get into the weeds over some sort of pointless discussion of property ownership being horrible in general (which I tend to agree with). I shouldn’t have to explain that. It’s business. And for the record, you’re inventing morality that renting is some kind of moral failing when, as I mentioned, some form of renting has been around since recorded history. It’s business. Hope you have decent landlords, I’m done here.
unless we’re going to get into the weeds over some sort of pointless discussion of property ownership being horrible in general (which I tend to agree with). I shouldn’t have to explain that.
That is literally my central argument.
I’m gonna have to point out that I’ve repeatedly said some variation of “this isn’t about landlords being evil, this is about the system that creates landlords being harmful” and you’ve continued to take it as a personal attack, over and over again.
The response to
“this isn’t about landlords being evil, this is about the system that creates landlords”
Really shouldn’t be
“but I’m not a bad landlord! Not all landlords are slumlords”
Yeah, profit is legitimately a problem, this guy Adam Smith wrote about it in a book and then Marx wrote a whole series of tomes doing a more comprehensive analysis about how it is unsustainable and to the detriment of humanity.
We’re not interested in infinite growth and owe no loyalty to shareholders. Our rates are static.
Yeah, youre a member of the rentier class, not the capitalist class.
The critique is actually different for rentierism vs capitalism, even most capitalist economicists hate rentierism. You’re collectively a parasitic class even to the capitalists because you increase their operating costs indirectly for no benefit. Earnestly no offense, as class analysis is about understanding structures, not moralizing.
You still benefit from extractivist class dynamics. Unless you’re going to be in the red even after selling the properties you own, even if you’re charging so low that you lose money in the short term. But I’m guessing that on aggregate over time you’re gaining money in the short term.
Well, that’s an opinion.
It is more than my opinion, it is literally the academic concensus on the subject, including pro-capitalist economic theorists in the consensus. You’d literally have to go back to the divine right of kings being an intellectual position taken seriously to find a consensus in support of rentierism.
Now, of course, feel free to be an anti-intellectual about it. Your opinion as someone who hasn’t read a lot of political economic theory is just as valid as the mainstream academic concensus among economicists and political economicists.
You know nothing about me or my reading choices or knowledge. I could cite tons of capitalist garbage in favor of renterism, but that would be just as meaningless as your tripe. Point is renting is a business, like any other. The business owner can fleece customers or treat them like humans. We choose to be the latter, we choose to treat our renters fairly and give them an excellent service, and if that’s too difficult for you to separate from your prejudice for that facet of capitalism I see no reason to waste further conversation on the subject.
Okay. Do it then.
It is literally distinct enough that we define the rentier class separately from the capitalist class
Can you please seperate systemic critique from moralizing? The point isn’t to call you a bad person, in the same way ecology isn’t about calling mosquitos evil. You’re frankly missing the point by being defensive and arguing “okay but some mosquitos don’t carry malaria”
No. No, I don’t think so. I’m not going to sit here, waste my time making a case, and be your whipping boy for every piece of shit landlord or landowning conglomerate that treats tenants like numbers to be squeezed for profit. You’re not here in good faith, your mind is made up, so there’s no point. This isn’t systemic critique, this is about me stepping in and trying to point out we’re not all bastards and we treat people well, but that doesn’t matter here. You’ve made a completely manufactured position that has no real world basis that you’re trying to make me defend, I’m sure some form of rent has existed since before the pyramids so there’s no case for me to make. Rent is a default position for those that don’t own, unless we’re going to get into the weeds over some sort of pointless discussion of property ownership being horrible in general (which I tend to agree with). I shouldn’t have to explain that. It’s business. And for the record, you’re inventing morality that renting is some kind of moral failing when, as I mentioned, some form of renting has been around since recorded history. It’s business. Hope you have decent landlords, I’m done here.
That is literally my central argument.
I’m gonna have to point out that I’ve repeatedly said some variation of “this isn’t about landlords being evil, this is about the system that creates landlords being harmful” and you’ve continued to take it as a personal attack, over and over again.
The response to
“this isn’t about landlords being evil, this is about the system that creates landlords”
Really shouldn’t be
“but I’m not a bad landlord! Not all landlords are slumlords”
Other businesses “we can provide you with a good or a service in exchange for money”
Landlords “I own your house so you owe me half your income”
Yeah, no difference at all /s