I was merely responding to your point that people didn’t know history before October 7. We’re not going to agree on anything if you think murderous mobs aren’t militants.

I don’t think Arabs are all the same and neither does Hamas. That’s why they kidnap Bedouin civilians and take them hostage too. That’s why they shoot at Druze IDF soldiers.

The Hebron massacre was terrible, I agree with you. And I know that Arabs also sheltered Jews in 1929. But we can’t ignore facts: Old Yishuv Jews were killed for things they had nothing to do with. They were not marching at the Wailing Wall. They were simply soft targets for Arab militants. Militants do not distinguish between good and bad. They reduce to ethnic identity — on both sides.

I also know that Deir Yassin was terrible. That the Hadassah Hospital massacre was terrible. That the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre was terrible. That Entebbe was terrible.

But I’m fucking sick of the left-tankie-Hamas alliance on social media that overlooks the reality of the conflict. They simply spout off about Israeli “apartheid” and “genocide” without any 1) reference to legal definitions of those terms or 2) historical knowledge.

But there is a reality we cannot ignore: Hamas will never accept Jews west of the Jordan River, period. That’s what they showed on October 7. It’s not about the occupation. It’s not about the Green Line. It’s not about the settlements in the West Bank. It’s about killing Jews and those who collaborate with Jews. It’s about establishing an Islamic theocracy from the river to the sea and killing Jews who remain.

For too long the left tried to contextualize and explain away Hamas’ brutal hate. We need to accept what they say is what they believe. We need to believe what they wrote in their first charter.

Oh… Really? You mean like back to 1980 when Palestinian terrorists took newborns and toddlers hostage at Kibbutz Misgav Am? Or in 1929 when Arab policemen murdered women and children of the “Old Yishuv” in Hebron because Jews (not the ones the Arabs were killing, mind you — but let’s ignore that inconvenient fact) were checks notes buying land from Arab sellers? Or what about in 1948 when the neighboring Arab countries sent their troops to war in violation of UN resolutions — bearing symbols showing a knife through a Star of David? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kaukji-armored-car-1948.jpg

Also, from your comment I realize you must be new to this conflict. On “your side” it’s passé to refer to “75 years of Israeli terrorism”. The pro move is to refer to “141 years of Zionist terrorism”.

…says someone probably too young to remember Hamas strapping bombs to human beings to blow up a Sbarro.

Hamas are terrorists. Always have been. Always will be.

I do not regret what happened. Absolutely not. This is the path. I dedicated myself to Jihad for the sake of Allah, and Allah granted me success. You know how many casualties there were [in the 2001 attack on the Sbarro pizzeria]. This was made possible by Allah. Do you want me to denounce what I did? That’s out of the question. I would do it again today, and in the same manner.

…said a woman who killed eight children

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahlam_Tamimi?wprov=sfti1#Public_and_personal_reaction

The actual problem was that Ariel Sharon, who dismantled the settlements in Gaza and had begun to do the same in the West Bank, had a stroke. He was comatose and never recovered. Subsequent PMs have either lacked political capital to stop building (Olmert), or have actively encouraged it (Netanyahu).

Newspaper is not the source. Almog Boker at Channel 13 is. Look at the original tweet.

But keep up the mental gymnastics to defend Hamas and the corrupt UNRWA.

In 2019, Channels 10 and 13 merged with Channel 10 shutting down and some of its programming and staff joining Channel 13. Now all that remain are Keshet 12 and Channel 13 (internal citations omitted). These channels are largely centrist and balanced in their coverage featuring both right and left-wing views in broadcast debate. While the content of their broadcasting may somewhat shift depending on factors such as if Israel is at war or if major protests are occurring, they generally maintain a neutral standing.

https://blogs.dickinson.edu/gelulaj/2019/04/02/the-political-leanings-of-israeli-media/

This is actual reporting. It was reported by Almog Boker on Channel 13 in Israel. Or is “actual reporting” some kind of new Hamas dog-whistle?

That’s not an answer to my question: what evidence would satisfy you?

The testimony of a survivor is not an “opinion piece built on assumptions.” Would you say that a rape survivor’s account is an “opinion piece built on assumptions” if reported in the press?

This was the prior source https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/hamas-armed-wing-announces-death-of-youngest-hostage-kfir-bibas-imluwubn

Wonder if it was the mods or the OP that deleted it.

…the hostage’s statements after 8 weeks in captivity is not enough for you? What would satisfy you?

The claim isn’t “Lasers shot out of his eyes” or something sensational. The claim is “My jailer was a teacher with 10 kids who is paid by the United Nations in his dayjob.” Why does that statement require extraordinary levels of proof?

Interesting that posts where anti-Hamas views are upvoted get removed (the post that was just removed about 9-month old Kfir Bibas being killed in captivity), but the posts where anti-Hamas views get downvoted stay up. Funny that.

What you’re describing is administrative detention. Don’t like administrative detention? Take it up with the Fourth Geneva Convention, where it is explicitly permitted under Article 78.

And let’s not try to equate “children” like Marah Bechir and Kfir Bibas. Marah Bechir was tried and convicted of stabbing a policeman when she was 16. She was sentenced to 8.5 years. Kfir Bibas was a 9-month old baby that Hamas kidnapped and either killed or allowed to die. Marah Bechir will be released in exchange for 1/3rd of a civilian hostage. She will be lauded as a hero in Palestinian society when she returns home.

On October 7, Hamas (as well as random Gazan “civilians”) murdered hundreds of Israeli civilians in their homes (including children), raped women and took hundreds of hostages…but THIS is fake?

Hamas then sold the three kidnapped Bibas family members (a 9 month old, a 4 year old, and their mother) to the PFLP after the kidnapping. Hamas has said that there will be three dead bodies returned today as part of the swap. And yet you think this is “fake”?

What is apartheid about the state inside the Green Line?

So let me tell you about Ralph Nader in 2000…

What does “reconstituted” mean?

Why?

Right…

You just called for the destruction of Israel. You just said Tel Aviv, which was built on land purchased from the Bedouin, is on occupied land.

You just said that Be’eri is on occupied land. Since it’s on occupied land, then Hamas’ murder of 100 people is justified in your mind.

Palestinian policemen massacred non-Zionist Jews in Hebron in 1929. The government of Gaza massacred left-wing Jews in Be’eri in 2023. And you sit here and talk binational bullshit fantasies.

From the river to the sea, you want it to be Judenfrei.

In other words, “Death to Israel!!!”

Edit: in before “No no. You have to understand that ‘Death to Israel’ is an aspirational call for peace”