• kitnaht@lemmy.world
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    What are you talking about? This is a post about the homeless littering the streets, not any of the bullshit you espouse here. And I’m not arguing for any of the shit you listed either. So your entire argument is a strawman, full stop.

    I don’t gotta take ANY time because you’re all off in left field talking about something else OTHER than the conversation we’re having ENTIRELY.

    You’ve lost sight of what this conversation was about, and have gone off on some wild-ass rant about all the other things you’re mad about. Maybe go back about 4-6 posts and RE-READ, with an attention to understanding what we’re talking about instead of reading with the intention of rebuttal and then rejoin the conversation. I get that you’re mad about what’s happening to the world right now, we all are. We don’t need to be giving “homeless” (read: Drug Addicts, Severely Mentally ill, People who are mal-adapted to society) housing. We need to be getting them medical care, locking them up in asylums to keep them out of the general population without treating them like criminals (though many of them are), and getting them psychological help.

    You’ve all missed the forest for the trees here, and it’s sad because you only argue it because Musk said something and you HAVE to disagree with it. Doesn’t matter what it is, you MUST, because instead of looking at what he’s saying, all you care about is making sure that you disagree with him. You can disagree with him as a person, and he can still be right occasionally (a broken clock is right twice a day). In this case, he’s right. But your solution (giving them housing) is short-sighted, immature, naive and has had no long-term thought put into it at all.

    Go live in a place with a homeless population. Go try and help them. Many aren’t capable of being helped. And the only people who think like you do, are people who haven’t experienced it.

    • JailElonMusk@sopuli.xyz
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      I gave specific examples of countries that have reduced homelessness effectively and humanely (Finland, Norway, etc ), cited my sources and multiple solutions (not just housing, although it is a large part of fixing checks notes HOMELESSNESS?), and replied to your comment of nothing evil happening in the world?

      Here’s another article for you to not read or comprehend:

      https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/look-finlands-housing-first-initiative

      Spoiler Alert: As I know reading isn’t your favorite, their solution is called Housing First (it also contains many of your same ideas that I also mentioned below). Well except for locking them up in asylums because that’s as cruel as it is stupid and ineffective.

      Double Spoiler Alert: As a singular example (of which there are many), Finland has a third of the homeless population percentage that we do in this country, and our GDP is 83x that of Finland. You’ll find that when you “RE-READ, with an attention to understanding what we’re talking about instead of reading with the intention of rebuttal”.

      If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person on the planet. I have experienced homelessness, and I’ve also helped lift people out of it. Can you say the same?

      It’s obvious you’ve tried nothing and you’re all out of ideas. We don’t need to give them housing but we need to lock them up because many are criminals?

      I’m arguing to help our fellow men and tax billionaires to give support to those in need and treat them with the same dignity and humanity we would anyone else.

      We are not the same. I hope you find peace and faith in your fellow man again, until then I wish you luck on continuing to punch down to those in need on the Internet and sucking the toes of the richest man alive.

      TL;DR: Homelessness is a multi-faceted issue that requires a complex and thoughtful solution including strong social support system, treatment, counseling, EMPATHY, and yeah a fucking roof over their head.

      P.S. I don’t HAVE to disagree with everything Elon says, I GET the distinct pleasure to because of how incredibly stupid and corrupt he is. After all, fighting and opposing Nazis is as American as Apple Pie.