• The_Caretaker@lemm.ee
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    While I agree with telling Trump to go lick Elon’s balls, states are specifically forbidden from entering into trade agreements with foreign countries by the Constitution. To do this, California would need to be willing to secede from the Union. I’m okay with it.

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    This is based on a quote “look at new opportunities to expand trade” and a tweet “California is here and ready to talk.” How definitive do those two things sound? How definitive does Newsweek’s title sound?

    Newsweek is a gossip rag.

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      Newsweek is pretty close to a tabloid these days. They are a tad better than the NY Post, but not by much.

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      Legally? No. But you can’t secede legally either so there is a fuzzy line there somewhere should they start down that road.

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    Holy shit, my prediction model forecast this. 🍿 This is actually a major step toward derailing this coup.

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      I do. Get fucked, California. Fix your shit instead of working around it.

      Trump took 38.3% of the vote in California. Is that who you want to do trade with?

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        Thats way less than most places in the US and less than fucking doug ford got in ontario. Less than Pierre was polling canada wide too. So yeah, I’d rather trade with them than say fucking alberta which is also way higher conservative poll numbers.

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            In what way? Alberta is politcally basically the polar opposite to my beliefs, and is holding the entire country back. California is still not nearly left enough for my tastes, but aside from some outlying rural areas generally is much more favorable to my political views. With the exception of trade barriers and the fact that money going to california still impacts the US GDP, generally speaking Id rather give my money to people with similar beliefs as myself, especily if those people are trying to take a stand against trump/other fascist politicians and not licking their boots and huffing oil fumes like danielle smith.

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        38.3% of voters.

        Not 38.3% of the population.

        Pretty significant difference.

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        Better than the current situation honestly. Both being preoccupied is better than Trump’s admirations of Canadian minerals

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    Succession! And we’re taking Hawaii Oregon and Washington. We can trade with the EU and Canada. Maybe we can join the EU

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        Or at least let Hawaii be independent again and let the people of Hawaii decide what they want. Too bad they don’t teach the history of what American corporations did to destroy Hawaii and how the US government helped overthrow a friendly foreign nation for American oligarchs to rule.

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        Yeah that seems fair. Can you guys take care of zuck and Ellison? ……I’m thinking sewer slaves would be best after seizing their assets of course

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    Good. There is no point in being part of a government that doesn’t believe in governance. Here’s hoping that other Blue States join a compact with California.

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    Kudos to California. The neo-Nazi filled MAGA is all about state rights and I hope they tell California to secede.

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    Hope this falls through. Any trade deals that allow the US to circumvent Trumps policies and thus keep his regime going is bad. The big crash needs to happen before people are motivated to fight back. The slow frog boil is what led us here to begin with.

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    It would be ironic if businesses come back to California because of the tariffs.

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    Last civil war was about state rights to own slaves. Now its state right to avoid trade distribution?

    My god the writers need to be fired.

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      No, there is legal precedence for this

      Under NAFTA states could impose their own tariffs because NAFTA was a Federal agreement and countries would have to negotiate free trade with individual states

      This is just the reverse of that

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        As a non-American, the more i learn about US states, the more I realise that the country is more like a reluctant confederation than an actual unified country.

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          Yeah, it made sense when a horse was the fastest way to travel over land. These days? We’re stuck with a ridiculous government structure designed when no one knew how democracies worked.

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            Amen to that. It’s very stupid and backwards, but a whole lotta idiots think that the founders were inspired by their god (Jehovah/Yahweh/Allah) and that this kind of thing was handed down on stone tablets.

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          It tore itself apart in a civil war 72 years after its constitution was written, and the only reason why it didn’t happen again was because it got fat off of being the only power left standing after the world wars.

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        The whole “no legal precedence”. Has been a thing for a few years now. We have what used to be called chaos nowadays.

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      Well the south finally will get to leave the union and form florida-man-istan, jesus-wasteland-istan and all-hat-no-cattle-istan. Good luck to them. We should have a going away party before we put up a wall to keep them from trying to get back in.

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      Sadly it’s a near inevitable outcome of an overly powerful Federal Government attempting to deal with a population this large. The more powerful the Federal Government gets the less able it is to balance the different desires of its citizens and the less popular it becomes.

      The solution was to NOT have such a powerful Federal Government but we tossed that out the window around somewhere between 1900 and 1920. It may not happen now over this but the clock is ticking and it’s going to happen at some point over something.

      It will be terrifying and terrible when it happens.

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        Unfortunately, we keep giving a small amount of people a lot of power. The cons have way too much representation in relation to their numbers. The other huge problem is that we have a system of legalized bribery, which is just insanity.

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        A lot of this could be fixed by reforming the senate which is a big part of why that will never happen.

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          Agreed the problem was baked in during the Ohio Compromise and at other times, it has nothing to do with population size because we’re talking about a small number of elites, not popular will.

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      been thinking and saying for years that we’re on the path to a soviet style balkanization. just wasn’t sure what would be the spark. this certainly smells like one.

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      Will it be California first? Or maybe Alaska? Hawaii? We know one’s gonna try and split, just not which.

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        Not Hawaii at least in my opinion. The military foothold is too high, California might have a similar problem but the state is so much bigger that I don’t think that it is as much of an issue. I think Alaska is most likely though. Might pull a Texas and succeed and then ask to become a part of Canada.

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      We’ve been heading there for a long time and much of the rest of the world has been feeding into the two-sides divide. It’s easier to see when you already loathe both sides for different reasons. But the US has been a powerhouse many would love to see taken down. Generations of work towards that are paying off, and the US working class will suffer the most.