The name of it sounds like a streaming service for children’s movies and TV shows. Like, Netflix for kids. In the past 5 years I have seen at least 3 deepweb social communities that started out normally, with a lot of people talking shit and enjoying anonymous free speech. Then I log in a couple weeks or months later to find CP being posted and no mods doing anything to stop it. In all those cases, I reported the site to the FBI anonymously and erased my login from my password manager.
Goddam what an obvious fucking name. If you wrote a procedural cop show where the child traffickers ran a site called KidFlix, you’d be laughed out of the building for being so on-the-nose.
During the investigation, Europol’s analysts from the European Cybercrime Centre (EC3) provided intensive operational support to national authorities by analysing thousands of videos.
I don’t know how you can do this job and not get sick because looking away is not an option
You do get sick, and I would be most surprised if they didnt allow people to look away and take breaks/get support as needed.
Most emergency line operators and similar kinds of inspectors get them, so it would be odd if they did not.
Yes, my wife used to work in the ER, she still tells the same stories over and over again 15 years later, because the memories of the horrible shit she saw doesn’t go away
Indeed, but in my country the psychological support is even mandatory. Furthermore, I know there have been pilots with using ML to go through the videos. When the system detects explicit material, an officer has to confirm it. But it prevents them going through it all day every day for each video. I think Microsoft has also been working on a database with hashes that LEO provides to automatically detect materials that have already been identified. All in all, a gruesome job, but fortunately technique is alleviating the harshest activities bit by bit.
And this is for law enforcement level of personnel. Meta and friends just outsource content moderation to low-wage countries and let the poors deal with the PTSD themselves.
Let’s hope that’s what AI can help with, instead of techbrocracy
This kind of shit is why i noped out of the digital forensics field. I would have killed myself if I had to see that shit everyday.
I’m sure many of them numb themselves to it, and pretend it isn’t real in order to do the job. Then unfortunately, I’m sure some of them get addicted themselves.
Similar to undercover cops who do drugs while undercover, then get addicted to the drugs.
And it didn’t even require sacrificing encryption huh!
“See we caught these guys without doing it, thank of how many more we can catch if we do! Like all the terrorists America has caught with violating their privacy. …Maybe some day they will.”
Basically the only reason I read the article is to know if they needed a “backdoor” in encryption, guess the don’t need it, like everyone with a little bit of IT knowledge always told them.
They also seized 72,000 illegal videos from the site and personal information of its users, resulting in arrests of 1,400 suspects around the world.
Wow
1,393 suspects identified 79 suspects arrested Over 3,000 electronic devices seized 39 children protected
Imagine if humans evolved enough to self-solve the problem of liking this shit.
Kidflix sounds like a feature on Nickelodeon. The world is disgusting.
Or a Netflix for children/video editing app for primary schoolers in the early 2000s/late 1900s.
Geez, two million? Good riddance. Great job everyone!
Happy cake day!
Thank you! 😃
Here’s a reminder that you can submit photos of your hotel room to law enforcement, to assist in tracking down CSAM producers. The vast majority of sex trafficking media is produced in hotels. So being able to match furniture, bedspreads, carpet patterns, wallpaper, curtains, etc in the background to a specific hotel helps investigators narrow down when and where it was produced.
Wouldnt this be so much better if we got hoteliers on board instead of individuals
They’re only concerned with the room fees.
Don’t see, don’t tell.
Sadly.
I worked in customer service a long time. No one was trained on how to be law enforcement and no one was paid enough to be entrusted with public safety beyond the common sense everyday people have about these things. I reported every instance of child abuse I’ve seen, and that’s maybe 4 times in two decades. I have no problem with training and reporting, but you have to accept that the service staff aren’t going to police hotels.
I didn’t mean to imply all of the hotels and motels were “In On It.”
Nice to know. Thanks.
Thank you for posting this.
Massive congratulations to Europol and its partners in taking this shit down and putting these perverts away. However, they shouldn’t rest on their laurels. The objective now is to ensure that the distribution of this disgusting material is stopped outright and that no further children are harmed.
The objective now is to ensure that the distribution of this disgusting material is stopped outright and that no further children are harmed.
Sure, it’ll only cost you every bit of your privacy as governments make illegal and eliminate any means for people to communicate without the eye of Big Brother watching.
Every anti-privacy measure that governments put forward is always like "We need to be able to track your location in real time, read all of your text messages and see every picture that your phone ever takes so that we can catch the .001% of people who are child predators. Look at how scary they are!
Why are you arguing against these anti-pedophile laws?! You don’t support child sex predators do you?!"
Then end up USA
USA ain’t got shit on the Eastern Bloc when it comes to sex trafficking.
Maybe Jeff Bezos will write an article about him and editorialize about “personal liberty”. I have to keep posting this because every day another MAGA/lover - religious bigot or otherwise pretend upstanding community member is indicted or arrested for heinous acts against women and children.
Good fucking riddance
Wow, with such a daring name as well. Fucking disgusting.
I once saw a list of defederated lemmy instances. In most cases, and I mean like 95% of them, the reason of thedefederation was pretty much in the instance name. CP everywhere. Humanity is a freaking mistake.
I regularly see people on Lemmy advocating for pedophilia, at LEAST every 3 months as a popular, upvoted stance. I argue with them in my history
what he fuck I’ve never ran into anyone like that.don’t even wanna know where you do this regularly
I’m sorry but classifying that as advocating for pedophilia is crazy. all they said is they don’t know about studies regarding it so they said “probably” instead of making a definitive statement. you took that word and ran with it; your response is extremely over the top and hostile to someone who didn’t advocate for what you’re saying they advocate for.
It’s none of my business what you do with your time here but if I were you I’d be more cool headed about this because this is giving qanon.
Even then, a common bit you’ll hear from people actually defending pedophilia is that the damage caused is a result of how society reacts to it or the way it’s done because of the taboo against it rather than something inherent to the act itself, which would be even harder to do research on than researching pedophilia outside a criminal context already is to begin with. For starters, you’d need to find some culture that openly engaged in adult sex with children in some social context and was willing to be examined to see if the same (or different or any) damages show themselves.
And that’s before you get into the question of defining where exactly you draw the age line before it “counts” as child sexual abuse, which doesn’t have a single, coherent answer. The US alone has at least three different answers to how old someone has to be before having sex with them is not illegal based on their age alone (16-18, with 16 being most common), with many having exceptions that go lower (one if the partners are close “enough” in age are pretty common). For example in my state, the age of consent is 16 with an exception if the parties are less than 4 years difference in age. For California in comparison if two 17 year olds have sex they’ve both committed a misdemeanor unless they are married.
none of this applies to the comment they cited as an example of defending pedophilia.
They literally investigated specific time frames of their voyeurism kink in medieval times extensively, wrote several paragraphs in favor of having children watch adults have sex, but couldn’t be bothered to do the most basic of research that sex abuse is harmful to children.
“they knew some things and didn’t know some things” isn’t worth getting so worked up over. they knew the mere concept of sex being taboo negatively affected them and didn’t want to make definitive statements about things they didn’t research. believe it or not lemmy comments are not dissertations and most people just talk and don’t bother researching every tangential topic just to make a point they want to make.
I feel like what he’s trying to say it shouldn’t be the end of the world if a kid sees a sex scene in a movie, like it should be ok for them to know it exists. But the way he phrases it is questionable at best.
When I was a kid I was forced to leave the room when any intimate scenes were in a movie and I honestly do feel like it fucked with my perception of sex a bit. Like it’s this taboo thing that should be hidden away and never discussed.
Removed by mod
Gratefully, I’ve not experienced this.
And I don’t want to know where they are.
gross, probably the reason they got banned from reddit for the same thing, promoting or soliciting csam material.
I don’t really think Reddit minds that, actually, given that u/spez was the lead mod of r/jailbait until.he got caught and hid who the mods were
Isnit not encouraging that it is ostracised and removed from normal people. There are horrible parts of everything in nature, life is good despite those people and because of the rest combatting their shittiness
You’re just seeing “survivor’s bias” (as nasty as that sounds in this case) not a general representation.
No, there really are a lot of pedophiles on Lemmy
There are a lot of pedophiles everywhere.
Unfortunately, the really rich ones get away with it for a long time, and few get away with it forever.
epstein files is never going to be fully released, too many rich and powerful people
idk im at like 7 months an the only time i was able to ctrl f “pedo” in your history was when you were talking about trump (which, fair) and then again about 4chan pedophiles (which, again).
Ive been on lemmy for years (even when .ml was the only instance) and hadn’t seen anything of the sort though I don’t go digging for it either. I doubt that Lemmy is any worse than Facebook or Telegram when it comes to this.
From a month ago: https://lemmy.world/post/26165823/15375845
yeah that’s on me I only searched “pedo”
as said before, that person was not advocating for anything. he made a qualified statement, which you answered to with examples of kids in cults and flipped out calling him all kinds of nasty things.
Lmfao as I stated, they said that physical sexual abuse “PROBABLY” harms kids but they have only done research into their voyeurism kink as it applies to children.
Go off defending pedos, though 👏
1.8 million users and they only caught 1000?
I imagine it’s easier to catch uploaders than viewers.
It’s also probably more impactful to go for the big “power producers” simultaneously and quickly before word gets out and people start locking things down.
It also likely gives you the best $ spent/children protected rate, because you know the producers have children they are abusing which may or may not be the case for a viewer.
Yeah, I don’t suspect they went after any viewers, only uploaders.
Hopefully, they went after the pimps and financiers.
79
79 arrested, but it seems they found the identity of a thousand or so.
For now.
On average, around 3.5 new videos were uploaded to the platform every hour, many of which were previously unknown to law enforcement.
Absolutely sick and vile. I hope they honey potted the site and that the arrests keep coming.
I just got ill
Does it feel odd to anyone else that a platform for something this universally condemned in any jurisdiction can operate for 4 years, with a catchy name clearly thought up by a marketing person, its own payment system and nearly six figure number of videos? I mean even if we assume that some of those 4 years were intentional to allow law enforcement to catch as many perpetrators as possible this feels too similar to fully legal operations in scope.
with a catchy name clearly thought up by a marketing person
A marketing person? They took “Netflix” and changed the first three letters lol
So you are saying it is too creative for the average person in marketing?
Exactly! There are plethora of *flix sites out there including adult ones. It does not take much of marketing skill to name site like this.
It would feel odd, but you have to remember we live in a world where Epstein was allowed to get away with what he did until the little people found out.
Epstein was very smart, and figured out early on there were many, many rich pedophiles.
So, he got buddy buddy with them, supplied young girls to them.
BUT, he filmed the encounters in secret, and blackmailed the shit out of these people.
He was smart enough to become obscenely rich on Wall Street legitimately, but he liked to bang little girls, found others who did too, and then extorted them.
There’s an anecdote about how when Epstein was holding court with other Aristos, they would bring up any random subject, to get his opinion.
What would he say? “What does that have to do with pussy?”
Many, many people have verified that. But because we was filthy rich, everyone just laughed, and blew it off.
Epstein was murdered. I’m not a conspiracy nut. It’s just blatantly obvious. The 2 guards on duty admitted to fucking off (bribed,) and were aquitted.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/case-dropped-jail-guards-duty-night-epstein-died-rcna10557
trump was his most frequent guest, and he trump had his goon do everything in his power to get rid of the evidence when he was still alive. alot of politicians of different countries are part of it, as are hollywood execs, weinstein was probably the most infamous one.
This kind of thing is rampant. And it’s not just little girls.
Heard from Bryan Singer, lately? Corey Feldman’s story about he, and Corey Haim confirm it.
Illegal business can operate online for a long time if they have good OpSec. Anonymous payment systems are much easier these days because of cryptocurrencies.
Is that why Trump is so for them?
Yeah, more or less
It definitely seems weird how easy it is to stumble upon CP online, and how open people are about sharing it, with no effort made, in many instances, to hide what they’re doing. I’ve often wondered how much of the stuff is spread by pedo rings and how much is shared by cops trying to see how many people they can catch with it.
it can hide in plain sight, and then when you dig into someones profile, it can lead to someone or a group discussing CSAM and beastility, not just CP. like a site similar to r/pics, or porn site. yea sometimes you stumble into a site like that, but it seems to occur when people search for porn outside of the Pornhub and affiliates sites. remember PH sanatized thier site because of this. last decade there was article about an obscure site that was taken down, it had reddit like porn subs,etc. then people were complaining about the csam, and nothing was done about it. it was eventually taken down for legal reasons, thats not related to csam.
I can definitely see how people could find it while looking for porn. I don’t understand how people can do this stuff out in the open with no consequences .
yea its often hidden too well to be easily found out and authorities might want to gather evidence so they let it accumulate then they pounce. one of the sites was mostly inneundos and talking about commiting it, but not actually distributing the material, they co-opt certain images to pervert it. other deviancies like beastiality were also present.
If you have stumbled on CP online in the last 10 years, you’re either really unlucky or trawling some dark waters. This ain’t 2006. The internet has largely been cleaned up.
I don’t know about that.
I spot most of it while looking for out-of-print books about growing orchids on the typical file-sharing networks. The term “blue orchid” seems to be frequently used in file names of things that are in no way related to gardening. The eMule network is especially bad.
When I was looking into messaging clients a couple years ago, to figure out what I wanted to use, I checked out a public user directory for the Tox messaging network and it was maybe 90% people openly trying to find, or offering, custom made CP. On the open internet, not an onion page or anything.
Then maybe last year, I joined openSUSE’s official Matrix channels, and some random person (who, to be clear, did not seem connected to the distro) invited me to join a room called openSUSE Child Porn, with a room logo that appeared to be an actual photo of a small girl being violated by a grown man.
I hope to god these are all cops, because I have no idea how there can be so many pedos just openly doing their thing without being caught.
typical file-sharing networks
Tox messaging network
Matrix channels
I would consider all of these to be trawling dark waters.
…and most of the people who agree with that notion would also consider reading Lemmy to be “trawling dark waters” because it’s not a major site run by a massive corporation actively working to maintain advertiser friendliness to maximize profits. Hell, Matrix is practically Lemmy-adjacent in terms of the tech.
Correct. And even then, there’s vanishingly little CP on lemmy.
File-sharing and online chat seem like basic internet activities to me.
This ain’t the early 2000s. The unwashed masses have found the internet, and it has been cleaned for them. 97% of the internet has no idea what Matrix channels even are.
not stumbled upon it but I’ve met a couple people offering it on mostly normal discord servers
most definitely not clean lmao, your just not actively searching for it, or stumbling onto it.
That’s…what I said.
Search “AI woman porn miniskirt,” and tell me you don’t see questionable results in the first 2 pages, of women who at least appear possibly younger than 18. Because AI is so heavily corrupted with this content en masse, this has leaked over to Google searches in most porn categories being corrupted with AI seeds that can be anything.
Fuck, the head guy of Reddit, u/spez, was the main mod of r/jailbait before he changed the design of reddit so he could hide mod names. Also, look into the u/MaxwellHill / Ghilisaine Maxwell conspiracy on Reddit.
There are very weird, very large movements regarding illegal content (whether you intentionally search it or not) and blackmail and that’s all I will point out for now
Search “AI woman porn miniskirt,”
Did it with safesearch off and got a bunch of women clearly in their late teens or 20s. Plus, I don’t want to derail my main point but I think we should acknowledge the difference between a picture of a real child actively being harmed vs a 100% fake image. I didn’t find any AI CP, but even if I did, it’s in an entire different universe of morally bad.
r/jailbait
That was, what, fifteen years ago? It’s why I said “in the last decade”.
“Clearly in their late teens,” lol no. And since AI doesn’t have age, it’s possible that was seeded with the face of a 15yr old and that they really are 15 for all intents and purposes.
Obviously there’s a difference with AI porn vs real, that’s why I told you to search AI in the first place??? The convo isn’t about AI porn, but AI porn uses images to seed their new images including CSAM
It’s fucking AI, the face is actually like 3 days old because it is NOT A REAL PERSON’S FACE.
We aren’t even arguing about this, you giant creep who ALWAYS HAS TO GO TO BAT FOR THIS TOPIC REPEATEDLY.
It’s meant to LOOK LIKE a 14 yr old because it is SEEDED OFF 14 YR OLDS so it’s indeed CHILD PORN that is EASILY ACCESSED ON GOOGLE per the original commenter claim that people have to be going to dark places to see this - NO, it’s literally in nearly ALL AI TOP SEARCHES. And it indeed counts for LEGAL PURPOSES in MOST STATES as child porn even if drawn or created with AI. How many porn AI models look like Scarlett Johansson because they are SEEDED WITH VER FACE. Now imagine who the CHILD MODELS are seeding from
You’re one of the people I am talking about when I say Lemmy has a lot of creepy pedos on it FYI to all the readers, look at their history
It’s a side effect of privacy and security. The one side effect they’re trying to use to undermine all of the privacy and security.
This has nothing to do with privacy! Criminals have their techniques and methods to protect themselves and their “businesses” from discovery, both in the real world and in the online world. Even in a complete absence of privacy they would find a way to hide their stuff from the police - at least for a while.
In the real world, criminals (e.g. drug dealers) also use cars, so you could argue, that druck trafficking is a side effect of people having cars…
Well, it does have to do with privacy and security, it just doesn’t matter if it’s legal or not for them. These people (in the US) always make a point that criminals will buy guns whether it’s legal or not, but then they’ll argue they need to destroy privacy because criminals are using it. It doesn’t make sense, but it doesn’t need to because honesty or consistency aren’t important.
This platform used Tor. And because we want to protect privacy, they can make use of it.
This particular platform used tor. It doesn’t mean all platforms are using privacy centric anonymous networks. There are incidents with people using kik, Snapchat, Facebook and other clear net services to perform criminal actions such as drugs or cp.
For anyone interested in the Kik controversy: There’s a great episode of the Darknet Diaries podcast about it: https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/93/
With the amount of sites that are easily accessed on the dark net though the hidden wiki and other sites. This might of been a honeypot from the start.
On the contrary, why would they announce that they seized the site? To cause more panic, and to exaggerate the actual situation?
In addition, that last point should be considered because even if they used these type of operations, honeypotting would still be considered illegal. So Ultimately what is stopping the supreme power to abuse that power on other people?
No judge would authorise a honeypot that runs for multiple years, hosting original child abuse material meaning that children are actively being abused to produce content for it. That would be an unspeakable atrocity. A few years ago the Australian police seized a similar website and ran it for a matter of weeks to gather intelligence which undoubtedly protected far more children than it harmed and even that was considered too far for many.
“That would be an unspeakable atrocity”, yet there is contradiction in the final sentence. The issue is, what evidence is there to prove such thing operation actually works, as my last point implied - what stops the government from abusing this sort of operation. With “covert” operations like this the outcome can be catastrophic for everyone.
universally condemned
There are a few countries that would disagree
Which countries do you have in mind where videos of sexual child abuse are legal?
Pick any country where child marriage is legal and where women are a object the man owns
Context is important I guess. So two things.
Is something illegal if it’s not prosecuted?
Is it CSA if the kid is 9 but that’s marrying age in that country?
If you answer yes, then no, then we’ll not agree on this topic.
I am not talking about CSA, I am talking about video material of CSA. Most countries with marriage ages that low have much more wide-spread bans on videos including sex of any kind.
As for prosecution, yes, it is still illegal if it is not prosecuted. There are many reasons not to prosecute something ranging all the way from resource and other means related concerns to intentionally turning a blind eye and only a small minority of them would lead that country to actively sabotage a major international investigation, especially after the trade-offs are considered (such as loss of international reputation by refusing to cooperate).
