Well put Mr. Tusk.

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    16 hours ago

    i’m talking about ukraine. from here it isnt looking like they manufacture their own weapons, are not financing it themselves, and have a big presence of other nationalities. else they wouldnt be so keen on US and NATO support.

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      There are no boots on the ground from NATO in Ukraine; They receive support and aid in the form of money, weapons, intelligence, training, and material. They still have an economy, and have international trade, so it’s not as if they’re not paying for anything themselves. Much of the aid they receive is then spend on material from the country that gave the aid, arguably the US defense industry, amongst others, makes money of this war.

      They’ve been keen to join NATO as a deterrent for Russian aggression, with very good reason. They’re fighting an existential threat. Putin has made no secret that he doesn’t consider Ukraine a country.

      This concerns all of us in ‘the West’, because we’ve built our democracies around a concept of freedom and trade that the likes of Russia have been working very hard to destroy.

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      Most every Russian troop being killed is via drone. Something like 96% of those drones are produced in Ukraine. Funding a war is expensive, especially when you are vastly out numbered population wise. Of course they want as much aid as possible.

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        14 hours ago

        what? you are telling me half of the country is destroyed and ukranian troops just sniped every russian soldier from afar instead of dying to protect it.

        there are probably almost a ~million people dead in each side by now.

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          Not by a long shot. Even Ukraine only claims in the region of 800,000 casualties on the Russian side, the majority of which are wounded not dead.

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            isnt that “probably almost a **~**million” people?

            im not a computer or a personified census institution.

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              22 minutes ago

              Again, dead is not the same as a casualty that’s why I emphasized that in my comment

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          14 hours ago

          Where are you sourcing that from? (That’s way higher than most are claiming for either side) Also, that has nothing to do with what we were talking about

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            14 hours ago

            it doesnt, i don’t know what drones have to do with the fact europe and the us have indeed been helping them quite significantly all of this time. i mean who else could hold the russians for a few years now?

            i think communication is cutting out though, so have a nice day.