Actually, that’s part of what he is aiming for. He wants mass protests so he can enact Martial Law. That was literally part of the plan on January 6th, 2020, to enact a State of Emergency. He’s just looking for excuses to put the hammer down on American citizens.
Not to say that’s a reason to not stir shit. They’re looking for excuses to ramp up the violence anyway, even if you try to keep your head down. Keeping our heads down won’t save us from it, so stir away.
He was pretty keen on using violence against his opponents last time, and BLM still stressed resources to the point where enforcement had to have pretty limited objectives. I think people overestimate just how actually powerful the police (and by extension the military trying to support the police) are in the face of popular uprisings. Every state, even the US with its giant military and police state, relies on individual fear to prevent uprisings.
If that were true all the dictatorships in the Middle East would still be (the same) dictatorships. Soldiers aren’t killbots and massacres have a way of spawning more resistance.
Most dictatorships in the Middle East are still there or replaced with new dictatorships. Which one were you thinking of in specific?
And what makes you think all the MAGA members of the military and all the violent thug cops wouldn’t be fine spraying bullets at protesters? Especially the cops?
The multiple popular uprisings of the Arab Spring that did not end simply because there was a violent response. Syria just fell at the end of a protracted civil war spawned from a popular uprising. That’s not to say violence never quashes uprisings or that spawning a civil war is a desirable path, but if simply applying violence was a reliable solution to unrest we’d live in a much different world.
And what makes you think all the MAGA members of the military and all the violent thug cops wouldn’t be fine spraying bullets at protesters? Especially the cops?
Because being MAGA is a lot easier when it doesn’t also involve wholesale slaughter of Americans. Soldiers get fucked up killing foreigners of different religions propagandized to be months away from launching dirty bombs. It’s not that easy.
Huh? The whole point is that the dictators in power during the uprisings weren’t able to quash them simply by being violent. It doesn’t need to be some sort of larger metaphysical success for goodness to be a demonstration of the limits of violence.
If your entire philosophy is just the bad guys are too powerful and there’s nothing that can be done, fine, but it’s not useful or helpful. Learned helplessness is literally the goal of dictators and you’re speedrunning it.
I don’t think he’s clever enough to understand that. He didn’t understand that Hitler’s own Generals had plotted against him. He’s genuinely a dumb fucking prick. He just thinks “I’m a strongman and this is what strongmen do, MARTIAL LAW!” He’s like Captain fucking Murphy declaring “Martian Law.” He only barely understands these concepts.
According to Goldberg’s account of Baker and Glasser’s reporting, Kelly responded by explaining to Trump that the German generals “tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off,” but Trump reportedly was not swayed by the correction.
“No, no, no, they were totally loyal to him,” Trump said, according to Goldberg’s telling of Baker and Glasser’s reporting.
According to Goldberg’s account of Baker and Glasser’s reporting, Kelly responded by explaining to Trump that the German generals “tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off,” but Trump reportedly was not swayed by the correction.
Hitler “fended” off 23 assassination attempts. And with all his gutting of utterly everything, i highly doubt the Secret Service will be competent enough to actually fend off any serious attempts, let alone various other things threats.
Specifically as a German, i can only tell you: Trump is as far away from Hitler as Washington from Berlin. Sure, Trumps clearly fascist, but at best he’s Temus Version of Hitler. Remember, Hitler was quite competent in various things and actually listened to his staff in the beginning. Not only that, Göring, the Gestapo and various other members were intelligent and had some serious education. There were many, many People you probably never heard of that helped Hitler in many ways. While some of us question the necessity of learning this stuff, it is still taught in schools and while i have to admit to have forgotten the Details, Himmler, Göring, Heidrich, Heß and Wiedemann are just 5 people in the spotlight. Trump’s MAGAts are dangerous no doubt and they are going to wreck basically everything. But let’s be honest…they aren’t competent, they don’t know shit except “destroying” stuff. But they will go down with the destruction.
Hitler actually did stuff for the People, that’s why most Germans did go along and you have to remember, Germany was basically on it’s knees and grasped for straws. The issue(s) in the U.S. right now are very different - but most people still do very well, especially since Biden did one hell of an impossible job. However, the gap between the “well off” and the “fucked” is going to grow wider and Trump and his incompetent bunch can still use it to basically tear down any and all civil rights because there are not enough people paying any attention. Germans did pay attention back then and they desperately wanted change. Not to mention, Hitler had a lot of help from inside the Weimarer Republic.
I don’t want to downplay this, but the parallels are currently still limited to politics and some unpleasant side effects that restrict the freedom of individuals, but do not have many effects on the whole. So if Trump declares Martial Law, i think he’s not going to last long after that - because by that point, things will have deteriorated far enough, that enough people will care and take action.
Unfortunately this will have very ugly side effects for all of you and probably the rest of the world and may even be civilization ending…
It’s not gonna get better until the people start to stir shit. Remember that.
Actually, that’s part of what he is aiming for. He wants mass protests so he can enact Martial Law. That was literally part of the plan on January 6th, 2020, to enact a State of Emergency. He’s just looking for excuses to put the hammer down on American citizens.
Not to say that’s a reason to not stir shit. They’re looking for excuses to ramp up the violence anyway, even if you try to keep your head down. Keeping our heads down won’t save us from it, so stir away.
He was pretty keen on using violence against his opponents last time, and BLM still stressed resources to the point where enforcement had to have pretty limited objectives. I think people overestimate just how actually powerful the police (and by extension the military trying to support the police) are in the face of popular uprisings. Every state, even the US with its giant military and police state, relies on individual fear to prevent uprisings.
The police were not authorized to use deadly force last time. I doubt Trump will be so lenient this time.
Spraying bullets into crowds with automatic weapons is a pretty effective way to stop an uprising.,
If that were true all the dictatorships in the Middle East would still be (the same) dictatorships. Soldiers aren’t killbots and massacres have a way of spawning more resistance.
Most dictatorships in the Middle East are still there or replaced with new dictatorships. Which one were you thinking of in specific?
And what makes you think all the MAGA members of the military and all the violent thug cops wouldn’t be fine spraying bullets at protesters? Especially the cops?
The multiple popular uprisings of the Arab Spring that did not end simply because there was a violent response. Syria just fell at the end of a protracted civil war spawned from a popular uprising. That’s not to say violence never quashes uprisings or that spawning a civil war is a desirable path, but if simply applying violence was a reliable solution to unrest we’d live in a much different world.
Because being MAGA is a lot easier when it doesn’t also involve wholesale slaughter of Americans. Soldiers get fucked up killing foreigners of different religions propagandized to be months away from launching dirty bombs. It’s not that easy.
The Arab Spring was a total failure. How do you not know that? It literally resulted in new dictatorships.
Do you think the Nazis were reluctant to massacre people they didn’t like? Because they weren’t.
Huh? The whole point is that the dictators in power during the uprisings weren’t able to quash them simply by being violent. It doesn’t need to be some sort of larger metaphysical success for goodness to be a demonstration of the limits of violence.
If your entire philosophy is just the bad guys are too powerful and there’s nothing that can be done, fine, but it’s not useful or helpful. Learned helplessness is literally the goal of dictators and you’re speedrunning it.
That’s weird, seeing as the playing field would be leveled a bit in that situation, and his rule would be threatened
I don’t think he’s clever enough to understand that. He didn’t understand that Hitler’s own Generals had plotted against him. He’s genuinely a dumb fucking prick. He just thinks “I’m a strongman and this is what strongmen do, MARTIAL LAW!” He’s like Captain fucking Murphy declaring “Martian Law.” He only barely understands these concepts.
Hitler “fended” off 23 assassination attempts. And with all his gutting of utterly everything, i highly doubt the Secret Service will be competent enough to actually fend off any serious attempts, let alone various other
thingsthreats.Specifically as a German, i can only tell you: Trump is as far away from Hitler as Washington from Berlin. Sure, Trumps clearly fascist, but at best he’s Temus Version of Hitler. Remember, Hitler was quite competent in various things and actually listened to his staff in the beginning. Not only that, Göring, the Gestapo and various other members were intelligent and had some serious education. There were many, many People you probably never heard of that helped Hitler in many ways. While some of us question the necessity of learning this stuff, it is still taught in schools and while i have to admit to have forgotten the Details, Himmler, Göring, Heidrich, Heß and Wiedemann are just 5 people in the spotlight. Trump’s MAGAts are dangerous no doubt and they are going to wreck basically everything. But let’s be honest…they aren’t competent, they don’t know shit except “destroying” stuff. But they will go down with the destruction.
Hitler actually did stuff for the People, that’s why most Germans did go along and you have to remember, Germany was basically on it’s knees and grasped for straws. The issue(s) in the U.S. right now are very different - but most people still do very well, especially since Biden did one hell of an impossible job. However, the gap between the “well off” and the “fucked” is going to grow wider and Trump and his incompetent bunch can still use it to basically tear down any and all civil rights because there are not enough people paying any attention. Germans did pay attention back then and they desperately wanted change. Not to mention, Hitler had a lot of help from inside the Weimarer Republic.
I don’t want to downplay this, but the parallels are currently still limited to politics and some unpleasant side effects that restrict the freedom of individuals, but do not have many effects on the whole. So if Trump declares Martial Law, i think he’s not going to last long after that - because by that point, things will have deteriorated far enough, that enough people will care and take action. Unfortunately this will have very ugly side effects for all of you and probably the rest of the world and may even be civilization ending…
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