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He’s not white, but other than that, I thought these points were obvious. You’re not supposed to like him.
He’s not white, but he is the equivalent. Also a son of a cop, and Japan still also has very racist and colorist views. In comparison it works.
i think the creator of this meme (not me if that wasn’t obvious) made a mistake in that it was actually L who was coded to be white:
When asked about L’s ethnicity, creator of the series Tsugumi Ohba responded, “I think of him as a quarter Japanese, a quarter English, a quarter Russian, a quarter French or Italian, like that.” fandom
“White Privilege” is going to be relative to where you are. They could have just said Privileged.
Okay I’m too lazy to Google it right now so feel free to completely ignore this, but would you happen to have a tldr on Japan’s ethnic groups? Or a link to a good and hopefully concise source?
I don’t really have much on other native ethnic groups aside from the Ainu people, which as a minority group went through colonialist oppression similar to other native/aboriginal groups in other locations. Some site links: https://minorityrights.org/communities/ainu/#%3A~%3Atext=These+policies+and+legislation+aimed%2Con+their+traditional+economic+activities.
https://www.ff-ainu.or.jp/web/english/details/post-5.html
As for colorism, the culture trends conservative. I don’t mean strictly politically, which it probably does too, but as in don’t act out and stick with traditional values. Due to that, white skin is generally considered better looking and proper, and there is a negative stereotype for darker skin.
They are similar to S Korea like this, and there is a sort of blatant implied racism towards dark skinned and especially black people in the culture. There is of course some fetishizing of dark skin too, but mainly in a fling but don’t settle down kind of way.
Some younger people are of course bucking some of these trends, and I’m not quite up to date as stuff in my own country, but it’s definitely still there. There are people who have given personal experiences, some positive, some definitely not.
who said they weren’t obvious? it’s called framing. applying a political lense to a fictional character’s traits and coming to a conclusion within the political framework.
literally no one is saying these observations haven’t been picked up on or that the character is meant to be liked.
no hate to you individally but, as a pattern, these anti-intellectual comments do make me sad. it’s like picking up simone de beauvoir and saying “duh i already knew women were historically oppressed.” the point isn’t already knowing. it’s about intellectual growth from the process of analysis, the meaning generated from the uniquely human application of knowledge. :)
That’s fair. I do get annoyed at other comments like “if you didn’t figure out how to resolve the Paradox of Tolerance the first time you saw it, you’re fascist”. It doesn’t leave room for people to grow.
ugh you’re so right and what an excellent example too
Framing this as a meme implies there’s supposed to be some sort of irony here.
The font, wording, and random minion and Steve are the ironic bits. It’s like reading real analysis as a shit post 😱
i think you have an unrealistically restrictive definition of meme for some reason haha
Me.
I’m too old, I don’t get all the memes. The culture is different now and my definition of it was shaped by my experiences not well, what a meme really technically is. Or is for other people.
Eta: plz help me understand the youths
well you are on 196 so honestly a good start. you can’t teach culture but stick around long enough it should start to click
White?
He is literally Japanese.
I don’t think he was ever supposed to be considered a role model. Sort of like Tyler from Fight Club.
no literally every protagonist is the good guy thats what protagonist means. just like walter white!
no literally every protagonist is the good guy thats what protagonist means.
Except that’s not what protagonist means. The main character is the protagonist and their opposition is the antagonist, regardless of alignment.
Edit from wiki: The term protagonist comes from Ancient Greek πρωταγωνιστής (prōtagōnistḗs) ‘actor who plays the chief or first part’, combined of πρῶτος (prôtos, ‘first’) and ἀγωνιστής (agōnistḗs, ‘actor, competitor’), which stems from ἀγών (agṓn, ‘contest’) via ἀγωνίζομαι (agōnízomai, ‘I contend for a prize’).
Double edit: I completely missed the sarcasm my bad
bestie i hate to break it to you, the sarcasm tag is literally right there
Yeah I’m extremely dumb pay no mind
even that aside i’m a little surprised “just like walter white!” didn’t tip you off
I’ve met way too many people who think he’s the good guy.
who are these people
i hope i never meet them
Tyler durden, Walter white, Rorschach, homelander, Travis bickle, Rick, Saul Goodman, Eren Yeager - people tend to idolize the most toxic characters. Serial killers get fan mail aplenty. Particularly weird when the character is a child, but I’m no longer surprised at what people are capable of pointing their admiration toward.
In short:
how comically would you have to miss the point to think rick sanchez is supposed to be a role model
probably less comically than the 2019 joker, which is in turn less than walter white, which – hold on, what is the clockwork orange guy doing here? do people seriously–
He has been an unlikeable prick from the very beginning. And it only got worse.
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I cheered when he lost his marbles before he died. For some reason I remember that he pissed himself.
Has no sociological imagination
The initial ideas that drive him in the beginning are that people are no longer functioning in a larger social structure and that their true beliefs don’t reflect the way they typically act “most people would say ‘it’s just wrong to kill people’ but on the inside…”
kills people en masse without considering what might be driving them towards criminality in the first place.
He’s literally able to deduce that Yotsuba Kira is not the original Kira (himself) because the original Kira (himself) did take circumstances into consideration and would show mercy and the other Kira did not.
Believes that societies flaws are due to individual failings rather than systemic ones.
He literally bullies the CIA out of operations and if I recall, his actions lead to most global conflicts stopping. He does bring up war as a problem and government corruption as a problem along with corporate corruption occasionally. So I’d say this point is pretty off the mark too.
Operates purely under the definition of criminality set by the state.
He (and Mikami) literally slaughter a huge organization that is ripping people off in the name of Kira. Their scam was legal, but it was evil, so they died. He kills 21 FBI agents because they’re annoying him. He kills multiple cops and law enforcement that were otherwise innocent. And, as aforementioned, he takes pity on criminals who were convicted but had understandable circumstances. While his morals may overlap with the state they are definitely not “purely” set by the state.
White
Japanese. However this one is probably the most accurate statement in this image. He is a rich kid from a stable family, is not a minority in his country, and if he receives any bias it is positive and not predjudiced against him.
Disincentivizes criminality using fear tactics rather than rehabilitation and economic incentives…
It’s called a deathnote not an infinite-source-of-economic-and-medical-resources.
Says he’s going to start killing homeless people
I do not recall this but maybe I’ve simply forgotten.
Anyway, I tend to dislike people who try to pick out random specifics like this. You shouldn’t hate him because he’s not going about things efficiently or without considering other perspectives or whatever else. You should hate him because he’s a manipulative bitch with an obsessive god complex that leads him to cause massive amounts of pain and suffering to those around him and the rest of the world too.
He knows that people are corrupt that they’ve rotted the world and that it just tends to become like this. So he should know that no matter what, the world will fall right back into chaos unless he lives forever, which again he knows he won’t.
He is either completely beyond reason, blinded by the idea he can truly fix the world in a way that clearly won’t work, or much more likely he just wants to be god and just uses morality/justice to rationalize this desire.
He’s not a bad person because he’s slightly inconsiderate or believes in state set laws. He’s a bad person because he’s willing to slaughter thousands of people just to feel powerful.
Edit: Rearranged and removed a sentence or two for clarity
He’s literally able to deduce that Yotsuba Kira is not the original Kira (himself) because the original Kira (himself) did take circumstances into consideration and would show mercy and the other Kira did not.
Yeah, he showed mercy towards non-criminals, but as soon as someone was marked as a criminal he threw that all out the window
He still fucked up. He should have started by working his way down the list of richest people and list of fascist dictators. Killing billionaires does a lot more to scare the people responsible for crime than killing random murderers does.
You CAN permanently fix the world. You just have to kill all the capitalist billionaires and politicians. Then let the communists implement communism with no organised opposition.
Bud, he’s a Japanese fascist.
Check your epistemology. You think that if billionaires just died out without the need for the proletariat to rise up and come together you would somehow end up with a world in which the proletariat would know to rise up and come together to stop it from getting bad again?
If anything you’d be lessening the spirit of revolution because you would be literally robbing the proletariat of it. You’d get more neoliberals and people who say shit like “see it all works out in the end” building a prime environment to slip right back into fascism when you die and stop enforcing the billionaire death penalty.
And if by “let the communists implement communism with no organized opposition” you meant slaughtering people who were opposed to whatever specific brand of communism you wanted most, I think Kira might be hiding in your mirror…
That’s just accelerationism.
You don’t actually need Dialectical Materialism and desperation of the workers in order to get to communism. Marx himself admitted that various indigenous cultures such as the Haudenosaunee were communists. Communism is the natural state of humanity. If you remove all the capitalists maintaining the system, communism will naturally win because it’s how humans naturally think.
Note the fact that despite our late stage capitalist society and rampant neoliberalism, children still live under communism. They get free food, free housing, and free education. Either from the state, or from their parents. Anyone who introduced capitalism to children would be considered a monster even in our current society. If you kept a ledger of debts and made your child pay it back at 18, or if you charged competitive market rates for rent to a 10 year old, you’d be called a child abuser. Everyone already knows that capitalism is wrong, we’re just trained to selectively ignore that fact. Take away the social pressure brainwashing people, and they’ll figure it out themselves.
Also, Light should have made the billionaires donate their fortunes to communist organisations and charities before they died. And made the dictators declare their countries a communist democracy before they died. (Yes, the seconds in command will obviously block these orders from being carried out. That’s why Light kills the seconds in command and makes them do the same a week later. After a dozen iterations, all the remaining leaders will get with the plot)
Societies have inertia. Without a force for change, they will not change. Maybe they would tend towards communism but it would be incredibly slow. Most people resist change and the amount of change required to shift even just a single state in the US from where it is at now to communism would be immense.
The amount of effort and required learning would deter many people and if you’ve removed the racketeering of the bourgeoisie, then they’ve you’ve lost the stick and don’t have a carrot.
Killing billionaires won’t undo the decades of “communism bad” and it doesn’t specifically bolster communism either. Hell, if you made people aware that you were killing billionaires to support communism you’d deter more people because “it’s just wrong to kill people”
Furthermore le petite bourgeoisie commit much less obvious sins in the eyes of the masses, but still support and defend capitalism. As billionaires fall, that class becomes larger. You’ll likely end up killing all the way down to small business owners before you’d reach the communist future you desire, and you’d have become the enemy of almost everyone left alive well before then.
You’re also making the same error as Light if you rely on people “getting the plot.” You are building a system that only works while you’re there to provide the threat. It will not last and it will fall to pieces again as soon as you’re gone.
Trees that never dealt with wind will break in the weakest of storms. If you want to fix the world permanently, you cannot do so by simply removing all obstacles magically. When those obstacles return your world will be even less prepared than they were before.
Lastly you make the assumption that you are capable of understanding the whole world, the political and cultural climate of every country, well enough that you can stop or adequately manipulate all the “bad” people and make sure the good ones are protected. You are not omniscient. This is not possible. You are bound to kill innocents in an effort to complete this endeavor, and you are certainly never going to kill every psychopath or misguided individual who fully supports capitalism.
You are Kira because you are holding onto the belief that if you just murdered enough “bad” people, the world would suddenly become and stay a better place, when in reality it’s just temporarily suppression. Those who would worship you would worship you for your power and dominance not for any doctrine of community or empathy. Even Those who you tried to help may face the fear that they’ll do something “against the party” and you’ll end them for it.
But hey maybe it could work, maybe the world would become a temporarily better place with less pain and destruction, but Light could make the same argument.
You are still slaughtering others under the delusion that somehow it will fix everything, that you would play the part of god perfectly and bring to pass a new world.
To paraphrase L: “I can guess your motive and why you’re doing this. But what you’re doing is evil.”
If you remove all the capitalists maintaining the system, communism will naturally win because it’s how humans naturally think.
So why then did that system not last forever? Why did capitalists emerge in the first place? Drag is treating them like some kind of external force, as if they were aliens dropped into societies across the globe.
The material conditions of what Marx called primitive communism naturally caused society to develop into the hierarchical structures of early civilization. The development of agriculture created incentives for the division of labor, for states with static borders and organized defenses, and for class structure and involuntary servitude. In a hunter-gatherer society, it’s far more efficient to treat everyone (mostly) equally, because either they’re going off on their own to hunt or forage or they’re coordinating with a group and need to be armed and trusted - but this is no longer the case with agriculture. The people who responded to these (unfortunate) incentives were able to become dominant.
It doesn’t actually matter that much how humans “naturally think.” If you put a bunch of robots or aliens or whatever into a situation where there’s an incentive to do something, then provided they have the ability to innovate, experiment, and try new things, someone will eventually discover the incentive and reap the benefits of it and others will follow, either because they see the benefits or because the benefits strengthen the beneficiaries to the point that they can force everyone else to go along with it.
This whole idea of, “Well Marx said indigenous people were communists so it’s trivial to just get rid of the capitalists and go back to that,” makes it very clear that Drag hasn’t actually read Marx and is just proof-texting, picking out random bits and pieces to support Drag’s pre-existing beliefs without actually understanding anything he said. A communist society in the modern day, with technology and capital, would look drastically different from hunter-gatherer societies. There are aspects of hunter-gatherer societies which we can point to as worthy of emulation, but we can’t return to a hunter-gatherer economic system (or lack thereof) without the mass starvation of the vast majority of humanity.
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Maybe with the death note but y’know means impact and ends. You do not get peace through assassination and or oppression
You do not get peace through assassination
Yes you do.
Source: France.
Communism really worked out great so far for all the countries that attempted. Sure… It will work out this time! And lets suppress anyone that disagrees with this form of government, what can go wrong?
You don’t know what comunism is
Sure bud, if you say so :>
Glad you agree :)
Drag doesn’t think you’ve heard of any of the nations that actually did communism. Google Australia.
Why are you referring to yourself in the third person. And why are you referring to australia, a country that clearly has no communism
Drag isn’t referring to dragself in the third person and Australia had sixty thousand years of communism.
good comment
He experimented on people that were already on jail.
Upvote because of Minion.
a fellow of taste i see 🍷
He did also kill a lot of people wearing suits but that hardly means much in Japan. They don’t talk much about his hundreds of victims in general other than calling them criminals.
Also, it’s the Death Note not the Tax The Rich and Redistribute Wealth Note.
Breaking News! Elon Musk has just died of a heart attack after donating his fortune to the communist party of America!
Breaking News! Jeff Bezos has just died of a heart attack after donating his fortune to the communist party of America!
Breaking News! Bill Gates has just died of a heart attack after donating his fortune to the communist party of America!
Breaking News! J K Rowling has just died of a heart attack after donating her fortune to the British Transgender Foundation!
Breaking News! Rupert Murdoch has just died of a heart attack after donating his fortune to the communist party of Australia!
Hey look, drag found the Tax The Rich and Redistribute Wealth Note.
Ignoring whatever hypothetical limitations the deathnote might have, that’s still not a good plan.
That’s a stupid way to support communism, the communist party of America isn’t communist. They’d just fund a revolution and surrender to Chinese dictatorship after the civil war reduced American lives and military.
Current Chairman Joe Sims was part of the party in the 1980s when they were still openly receiving annual funding from late stage USSR, he also participated in “the World Federation of Democratic Youth festivals” in Berlin in 1973, Moscow in 1985, and Pyongyang in 1989. He literally went to fucking USSR and North Korea to celebrate Democracy.
Would be a lot cooler tho
Imagine having a Death Note. Just open up Wikipedia’s list of richest people in the world, and write the top name once a week. After 3 or 4 weeks they would notice what’s going on. Then they would scramble to spend all of their money to get off of the list, noticing, that they have too much to spend. For the last couple hours of their lives they would be aware, that having this much money is unreasonable. They would have learned something, developed, grown. Then they would bite the dust. In like 6 months society would be fixed. A man can dream.
Wealth doesn’t disappear, so you still need to deal with the inheritors and you still have to deal with warlords who aren’t notable or wealthy. Would “General Buttnaked” work in the Death Note?
Also, there’s a lot of very powerful and wealthy people who keep on the down low. Trump, Bezos and Musk are outliers. If you really want a list for the Death Note, you use the DN to compel a target to reveal their pedoparty friends publicly.
death note if it was epic:
No… Wikepidia and the internet would just be shut down and the names of all the rich people as well as information about them would disappear. It would also cause mass chaos
Then they would scramble to spend all of their money to get off of the list
they would not. they would hire boatloads of bodyguards to try to protect themselves, and when that failed to save them, they’d just assume the last guy wasn’t doing it hard enough.
if by some miracle they did start spending their money, they’d spend it by funneling it into charities they control.
He’s a teenager…
he’s also a murderer lol. age doesn’t mean you can’t call someone what they are
Not saying he’s not a murderer nor am i saying he’s not a neoliberal. Teenagers generally lack the life experience required to temper their worldviews, so applying political labels to them seems a bit silly to me. That being said, it’s a meme posted on a meme board, so i guess it’s supposed to be a bit silly.
Teenagers generally lack the life experience required to temper their worldviews, so applying political labels to them seems a bit silly to me.
my brother in christ you are on Lemmy. more than half the comments are just teenagers applying political labels to themselves and each other. why are you still here?
Actually, Light is Made in Abyss creator Akihito Tsukushi.
