• Lauchs@lemmy.world
    291·
    1 year ago

    I’ve been trying to find that bit and my apparently poor googling techniques are finding nothing. Do you mind sharing an article or passage? (Just got back from a vacation with some fairly religious family members who were goddamn tiring, would be nice to be able to cite this next time.)

    • Billiam@lemmy.world
      611·
      1 year ago

      Oh, if you want more fun, read them these two verses:

      Exodus 21:12:

      Anyone who assaults and kills another person must be put to death.

      And Exodus 21:22:

      When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that she has a miscarriage but no other injury occurs, then the guilty party will be fined what the woman’s husband demands, as negotiated with the judges.

      Then ask them why the punishment for killing a person is not the same as the punishment for causing a miscarriage.

      After that, ask them why, if the Bible is the “inerrant” word of God, do some translations of that second verse use “miscarriage” while others say something more general like “caused a premature birth” instead? Because the meaning of that verse changes drastically depending on which way it’s translated.

      At this point, you’ll probably be called a godless baby killer and uninvited from Thanksgiving dinner.

      • Sotuanduso@lemm.eeEnglish
        91·
        1 year ago

        After that, ask them why, if the Bible is the “inerrant” word of God, do some translations of that second verse use “miscarriage” while others say something more general like “caused a premature birth” instead? Because the meaning of that verse changes drastically depending on which way it’s translated.

        According to Google Translate, the original Hebrew for just that phrase directly translates to “and her children went out,” but with the full context of the verse it becomes “and her children are born.” Make of that what you will.

        I could translate it to “and she gets a black eye,” but that doesn’t make the word itself any less reliable, only my wrong translation. I don’t know about the people you hang out with, but I’m pretty sure it’s important for Christians to understand that human translations are prone to error.

        • Cabrio@lemmy.world
          121·
          1 year ago

          Born, or birthed? A stillborn is still birthed. See, we can play this game for millenia, others already have.

          • Sotuanduso@lemm.eeEnglish
            5·
            1 year ago

            I copied what Google Translate told me. I’m no expert on matters relating to birth. That’s why I said “make of that what you will.”

            However, I do know that we have a lot more technical language than they did back then, so that’s something to keep in mind.

            • MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.mlEnglish
              2·
              1 year ago

              The people who downvoted this have no sense of humor. C’mon, “borth?”… objectively hilarious.

      • rurb@lemmy.ml
        22·
        1 year ago

        Pro-abortion in the case of adultery or rape. Plus it is from the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament so it’s a Christian thing by inheritance from Judaism.

    • Neko@lemmy.worldEnglish
      161·
      1 year ago

      There is a kind of “recipe” in Numbers 5:11-31

      It’s a “test for an unfaithful wife” but it’s a curse which would make a woman miscarry a child if it belonged to someone other than her husband.

    • HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org
      5·
      1 year ago

      It really doesn’t mention abortions far as I can tell, and the people who say the Abrahamic tradition is anti-abortion is a bunch of shit as well.

      My Source

    • toasteecup@lemmy.worldEnglish
      56·
      1 year ago

      Just ask them how god defines weddings in Christianity then point out Jews had weddings first.

      • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.comEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        They’re both abrahamic religions… It would make sense that God (being the same supernatural being in both religions) would have the same definition under both religions…

        • toasteecup@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          1 year ago

          It would but it doesn’t. Jews by and large don’t care about homosexual marriage and even find it acceptable per God’s teachings. The only ones who don’t are the conservative Jews.

          Christians on the other hand by and large care about homosexuality alot. Add to it Christians (in the states at least) like to say that they defined marriage, there’s proof that isn’t true. So if Christians didn’t invent it and were born of Judaism that would say to be that Christian belief regarding marriage is irrelevant from a “we created it” standpoint.

          Tying it back to my original thought, pointing that out to Christians pisses them off.

          This also works with abortion. Most Jews don’t care about it, some even go so far as to say this “a baby before birth is merely a part of the mother’s body.” Meaning it’s up to the mother what to do about her body. Up to and including termination.