Even the most biased sources don’t claim the fighting force is 100% forced fighters, none.
Neither did I. But the percentage grows with each day, otherwise why would they potentially damage their reputation by kidnapping people from the streets, if there were any volunteers left?
That similarly doesn’t mean Russia will stop taking territory. You’re actively advocating for Russian annexation of Ukraine.
I’m actively advocating for almost the most basic human rights imaginable - freedom of movement and freedom to live. It’s way more important than that or other country owning some territory.
They have tried that and are still trying that, what makes you think that every attempt had stopped.
Zelensky has never (except at the very start of the war) even pretended to do serious peace negotiations. His solution was always “yeah we want peace - when Russia leaves all our territories including those it controlled as far as in 2014 - and then we can think about having peace talk with them”. And he continuously has this attitude, as Russia gained more and more land. It’s not realistic peace talks in any way, it’s being a clown…
Moreover Russia agreed not to invade Ukraine in iirc 1991, they bring that peace agreement, they agreed not to invade Ukraine after annexing crimea, they broke that. Do you just blindly trust a government who has time and time again shown itself to not be trustworthy.
This is a fair point, they indeed broke that agreement. Just like any other country has broken agreements in the past. It doesn’t mean we should all just try to kill each other and never negotiate though.
What source are you using for these metrics you keep clinging to without sourcing.
For my claim that the percentage of people involuntarily fighting the war? Just the logic. If you find my logic unsound, I’d very much like to hear why.
What proof at all do you have of these claims you’ve again failed to source.
Your source about peace talks you claim were sabotaged says otherwise, choose a lane.
Quote needed. Please stop putting words in my mouth :).
I’ve said that the west (and especially Boris Johnson) encouraged Zelensky to go to war instead of making peace, linked article talks exactly about that.
You feel therefore it’s true huh? You know the punishment for draft dodging is a fine and you can leave the country if you give up citizenship.
All of those are secondhand accounts notably some by successful draft dodgers.
That would be sabotaging a peace talk dumb dumb, do you need everything to be word for word or are you at all capable of critical thought and basic inference.
To be based in logic you would need evidence, what you’re using is emotion and inference.
Yes, your source also says it’s a fine and potential imprisonment after several violations. Not getting grabbed off the street as you so claim but only have anecdotal evidence of. If you don’t want to fight and won’t be an objector then renounce, move to the border (if you survive that long) and seek asylum literally anyone can do that. You’re confusing being forced to make a very hard choice with not having any choice.
They’re your links! Just look at your comment and read the links you provided one of which includes your grabbed off the street account given by a draft dodger talking about something he heard second hand. None of those accounts are first hand of someone “grabbed off the street”.
Not getting grabbed off the street as you so claim but only have anecdotal evidence of.
Again, I’ve linked evidence, you just choose to ignore it.
If you don’t want to fight and won’t be an objector then renounce, move to the border (if you survive that long) and seek asylum literally anyone can do that.
None of those have firsthand accounts, quote one and prove me wrong.
The use of deprive and lose negate that dipshit argument. Your sources say the state can’t deprive you of citizenship or make you stateless, you can however choose to be stateless.
Not one of those includes talking to an actual person who was grabbed, we’ve already discussed this.
Again that says what the state can’t do, not what you can do.
None of those have firsthand accounts, quote one and prove me wrong
I’m trying to understand what you imagine it like. BBC taking an interview of someone who was grabbed off the street? The chances of it are close to zero because 1) those who are grabbed off the streets are sent to die, not go give interviews 2) it’s not a topic that would be interesting to the western audience, because probanly nobody would be shocked by it and people are going to justify it by “oh well Zelensky needs to do that because he is a good guy fighting bad guys”, just like they do it on lemmy. 3) it is simply not in the interest of media to capture this, because it would go against the west narrative.
You disregard available evidence because you don’t like it, and instead ask for unrealistic.
Your sources say the state can’t deprive you of citizenship or make you stateless, you can however choose to be stateless.
Let me quote the piece of the article that literally says otherwise.
Вихід допускається, якщо
особа набула громадянство іншої держави
або отримала документ, виданий уповноваженими органами іншої держави, про те, що громадянин України набуде її громадянство, якщо вийде з громадянства України.
Neither did I. But the percentage grows with each day, otherwise why would they potentially damage their reputation by kidnapping people from the streets, if there were any volunteers left?
I’m actively advocating for almost the most basic human rights imaginable - freedom of movement and freedom to live. It’s way more important than that or other country owning some territory.
Zelensky has never (except at the very start of the war) even pretended to do serious peace negotiations. His solution was always “yeah we want peace - when Russia leaves all our territories including those it controlled as far as in 2014 - and then we can think about having peace talk with them”. And he continuously has this attitude, as Russia gained more and more land. It’s not realistic peace talks in any way, it’s being a clown…
This is a fair point, they indeed broke that agreement. Just like any other country has broken agreements in the past. It doesn’t mean we should all just try to kill each other and never negotiate though.
What source are you using for these metrics you keep clinging to without sourcing.
What proof at all do you have of these claims you’ve again failed to source.
Your source about peace talks you claim were sabotaged says otherwise, choose a lane.
Oh so we’re just ignoring a chronic history of broken peace agreements and multiple invasions in what 40 years? Again choose a lane.
For my claim that the percentage of people involuntarily fighting the war? Just the logic. If you find my logic unsound, I’d very much like to hear why.
About what exactly? People being kidnapped on the streets and being forbidden to leave the country so they try to escape through rivers/mountains, or about something else?
https://theconversation.com/why-banning-men-from-leaving-ukraine-violates-their-human-rights-178411
https://uadraftmuseum.ch/ https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ukraine-urgently-needs-soldiers-but-some-men-are-desperate-not-to-fight/ar-BB1naQUE https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russia-war-recruitment/32310040.html https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66542065 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/15/bribes-and-hiding-at-home-the-ukrainian-men-trying-to-avoid-conscription
Quote needed. Please stop putting words in my mouth :). I’ve said that the west (and especially Boris Johnson) encouraged Zelensky to go to war instead of making peace, linked article talks exactly about that.
You feel therefore it’s true huh? You know the punishment for draft dodging is a fine and you can leave the country if you give up citizenship.
All of those are secondhand accounts notably some by successful draft dodgers.
That would be sabotaging a peace talk dumb dumb, do you need everything to be word for word or are you at all capable of critical thought and basic inference.
Let’s try that once again: I’ve backed what I said with logic. If you find my logic flawed - I’d very much like to hear about it.
That’s false.
3-5 years of prison time.
https://24tv.ua/ru/nejavka-po-povestke-chto-budet-esli-ne-prijti-voenkomat-shtraf_n2333472
That’s impossible do in practice.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/columns/2022/08/17/7363468/
Please link it.
To be based in logic you would need evidence, what you’re using is emotion and inference.
Yes, your source also says it’s a fine and potential imprisonment after several violations. Not getting grabbed off the street as you so claim but only have anecdotal evidence of. If you don’t want to fight and won’t be an objector then renounce, move to the border (if you survive that long) and seek asylum literally anyone can do that. You’re confusing being forced to make a very hard choice with not having any choice.
They’re your links! Just look at your comment and read the links you provided one of which includes your grabbed off the street account given by a draft dodger talking about something he heard second hand. None of those accounts are first hand of someone “grabbed off the street”.
No, I’m using evidence, but as you are ignoring it (and even calling hundreds of cases - one case…) - let me link it once again :)
https://uadraftmuseum.ch/ https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ukraine-urgently-needs-soldiers-but-some-men-are-desperate-not-to-fight/ar-BB1naQUE https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russia-war-recruitment/32310040.html https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66542065 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/15/bribes-and-hiding-at-home-the-ukrainian-men-trying-to-avoid-conscription
Again, I’ve linked evidence, you just choose to ignore it.
I’ve already told you that it is impossible, and linked evidence, and you’ve ignored. But once again, let me link it again.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/columns/2022/08/17/7363468/
None of those have firsthand accounts, quote one and prove me wrong.
The use of deprive and lose negate that dipshit argument. Your sources say the state can’t deprive you of citizenship or make you stateless, you can however choose to be stateless.
Not one of those includes talking to an actual person who was grabbed, we’ve already discussed this.
Again that says what the state can’t do, not what you can do.
https://uaconsulate.org/obtaining-ukrainian-citizenship/citizenship-withdrawal
I’m trying to understand what you imagine it like. BBC taking an interview of someone who was grabbed off the street? The chances of it are close to zero because 1) those who are grabbed off the streets are sent to die, not go give interviews 2) it’s not a topic that would be interesting to the western audience, because probanly nobody would be shocked by it and people are going to justify it by “oh well Zelensky needs to do that because he is a good guy fighting bad guys”, just like they do it on lemmy. 3) it is simply not in the interest of media to capture this, because it would go against the west narrative.
You disregard available evidence because you don’t like it, and instead ask for unrealistic.
Let me quote the piece of the article that literally says otherwise.