I find this mildly infuriating, I only use Windows for work, I even personally purchased Windows 11. Local account and disabled as much as I could. I personally do not like Windows or Windows in general.
Well, now I do an update and they throw this up like I need to walk thru these steps (again). Not even a “Skip”/“Don’t remind me again”. Windows is not what it used to be and after disabling half the Microsoft stuff I’d expect not to be bothered again. It’s really a built in ad more then anything.
2023-08 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5029351)
Remind me in 3 days. That shit should be against the law. There should be a don’t bug me ever again option.
Try to uncheck “Suggest ways I can finish setting up my device to get the most out of Windows”/“Show me the Windows welcome experience after updates and occasionally when I sign in to highlight what’s new and suggested” in Settings -> System -> Notification & actions (Windows 10) or “Offer suggestions on how I can set up my device” in Settings -> System -> Notifications (Windows 11)
Linux user here. But, that will be helpful for many I’m sure. Nice
which distro?
Debian & Pop
Weird coincidence but this is also how you opt out of a time share condo!
Actual lol from me!
big if true
“Why are you upset? We gave you a choice.”
Afterall, “Your PC needs to be backed up and connected to a few more Microsoft services to help you work more easily and securely across all your devices.”.
across all
your devices.".
It’s a dark pattern microaggression.
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That’s actually a good thing IMO, Microsoft is giving people more reasons to switch to Linux. How kind of them!
The new Debian is fucking awesome.
Debian have been fucking awesome since i installed it 23 years ago! It was leaps and bounds better then it’s contemporaries.
I agree, although I used to use it for a dev server and SSH in. It’s a great piece of kit!
Random question but you’d probably know. If I had Debian 11 when debiann12 came out will it update or do you need to reinstall? How has this worked in the past and how do you think the jump from 12 to 13 will work?
I’m used to rolling releases but I recently put Debian on my laptop
I have never needed to reinstall Debian. if sources.list say stable, you’d upgrade automatically. but normally the sources specify the release name “bullseye” and you would change that to bookworm when you want to upgrade.
I installed Debian potato right after 2000 sometime. Because i was so annoyed by running into rpm hell with early redhat releases whatever and having to reinstall all the time. and I apt upgraded to Debian woody, and following the release notes, everything worked. At the time that was wild to see. Have been running Debian on all the servers i touch at work since. The Release notes contain information about what is changed from a regular installation. So you can follow the new defaults if you so want.
I DD’d the installation to a larger harddrive, before upgrading to sarge. and by then it had become a bit of a sport, while not being necessary in any way I have kept on upgrading, and moving my daily driver over to new machines for fun.If you want a rolling release, you can run Debian testing, if you want stability you can depend on, run Debian stable. testing will stick a bit before release, and then have a period of rapid changes after release, but for a not critical desktop, it is generally very nice.
if you want to keep your system healthy tru the decades make sure you read the issues to be aware of in chapter 5 of the release notes for each new release : https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ they contain vital changes you may want to do to keep your system more similar to a freshly installed one.
what’s cool about it?
Debian is the most stable operating system ever, and it’s new version 12, is a really good OS.
What I liked was that it starts quick, never crashes, uses minimal system resources, and with GNOME has an excellent UI. Being a Linux OS that isn’t Ubuntu and isn’t Windows, it doesn’t spy on me.
Also love operating systems that use Bash or similar. I know how to drive them, I don’t know how to drive MSDOS.
I have a very powerful computer but the start time difference between Windows 11 and Debian is insane. Debian starts almost instantly.
I was specifically trying Debian as a gaming platform, so I installed Steam and GOG and a couple of Windows games running through proton. They worked really well.
In the end I had to go back to Window, because it’s just not there for me yet. Most games worked well, but a few have unacceptably low performance. It requires a bit of fiddling to get everything working right as well, because some of the defaults prevent people from just gaming.
i tried mint a couple years back and had a similar experience as far as gaming went, yeah
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Good point, adds to the mountain. I may just see if I could run a windows VM at this point tbh.
I switched to Pop!_OS recently and Windows runs faster in a VM
(because you’ve only installed the 1 app you need to run not your entire life, and then snapshot it after debloating so it’s always the same)
Yeah, I think I am going to setup a VM. I only need it for work due to Windows apps that would work just fine in a VM.
I am actually considering Qubes OS, which might take some work but overall would probably be a good seamless process.
How do you like Pop!_OS? I was looking at System76 computers one day and looked into it a couple years ago. Never gave it a try though, based off Ubuntu right?
Ubuntu/Debian base yeah.
It just worked out of the box for me and runs everything that kept me locked to windows so I’ve stuck with it.
I’ve run Handbrake in a VM because the linux version doesn’t allow setting the default folder for some reason but otherwise haven’t needed Windows in months. and as long as I don’t need to do anymore bulk trascoding I’ve probably seen the last of it.
If you don’t play games like valorant, and only need windows for specific tasks then going with a windows VM is a good option.
We’re getting there! There’s still games that run much better on Windows, and some games still don’t have Linux support. But the numbers are shrinking like crazy (THANK YOU STEAMDECK, Steam is the best company for game health as a whole.)
Also with VR… well, I don’t actually know. I haven’t tried, but will my index be fully functional (and run as well) on Linux?
It would not help. They just buy a Chromebook instead because there are no other alternatives in the shop. It would be a different story if the thing when you start the new computer get a guide to choose your OS to use. Even better if Android was the same. EU should force this IMO.
ah yes the non-idealistic idealist, i always admired your kind
Windows is nagware now. Microsoft dared to imagine an entire OS on the Winrar model.
Its actually worse than that. I PAID for Windows. If I paid for WinRAR they would stop.
Well WinRAR only nags you when you use it, unlike windows that is always running and almost always nagging.
If you stop using Windows, it also stops nagging you.
I have but for this PC, and only due to game pass not working nice on Linux (I like to play games with old friends far away)
I understand. If you don’t already know it, you can look up here if your games would work on Linux: https://www.protondb.com/
I game on Linux but my friends on xboxs, proton does not come into it sadly.
I wish they went with the winrar model. Winrar just nags you once when starting. Windows keeps trying to trick you into giving them your data and signing up for a subscription.
Don’t you compare windows to that time honoured and helpful software. WinRAR knows when to quit, and is free
So many comments shitting here and not giving helpful advice at all, so so fucking stupid. The best way to get ahead of this would be when the next time this pops up, press Shift + f10 and then type “OOBE\BYPASSNRO” easy and simple, takes only a few seconds and makes everything more seamless, such as no one drive bullshit etc…
Easy and simple
Dont forget to shit on linux afterwards for how difficult it is
Honestly I find constantly having to keep on top of disabling questionable windows features and bloat (knowing I’ve definitely missed something) more difficult and exhausting than just using linux. Linux feels way more “easy and simple” to me than windows ever has been.
I really didn’t think anything about linux before but the number of people on lemmy being so annoying about linux just makes me really dislike it.
Right? The top comments being people commenting just to laugh at the guy using windows on a work computer is grossing me out. They’re like the loud vegans for computers. Just like veganism I agree with a lot of it but the fan base (for lack of a better term atm sorry) is SO aggressively off-putting lol
Then delete system32 folder?
What are these instructions actually doing?
Idk how it works but if you type this on the console you will never get this window again.
press Shift + f10 and then type “OOBE\BYPASSNRO” easy and simple, takes only a few seconds
Not picking on you, that is actually really good advice and a neat shortcut I’ll be trying myself. I just think it’s funny all the reddit threads regarding Linux usage, someone will pop in with a simple commands to get whatever the user wants done quickly (Ex: Open the Console and type “sudo apt update” then “sudo apt upgrade” and you’ll be good!) and they get shit on with comments like “OMG! You have to Open a terminal to do anything! This is why Windowz rules and Linux is for fanboy dorks!!”
Btw, I dual boot.
I understand. I use Linux with dual boot myself and I know how great and free it feels to just use a terminal for everything. However, I cannot count how many times I have been frustrated when something just doesn’t work. Some software that doesn’t exist in apt is can be hard to install sometimes if you have to compile it yourself. And if you want to delete something that you didn’t install via apt?? Good luck with that. Linux doesn’t exist without its own problems. The use cases for both windows and Linux are very different. It doesn’t fit everybody
I’ll give that a try, thank you.
I believe this method was blocked. But it’s also not what the screen shot is. This is an update screen.
How did you learn this? Serious question, as I probably will be using Windows at whatever job I get. A huge part of what has made Linux so easy to learn is that there’s always documentation. There’s no secrets, even if it might be a lot of reading. Everything I learned about Windows I either bumbled my way into it or learned from someone else who was taught.
Yeah just a bunch of Linux nerds on their high horse feeling smug. This attitude actively pushes people away from your platform, not towards it. If you want more people to use Linux the first step is NOT acting like a smug dick about it.
thanks!
I wonder whether the developers who wrote this script, did it in order to avoid these annoying messages by themselves
If it’s your own machine, I recommend running one of the Windows 11 debloaters.
I’ve moved all of my personal machines over to Linux (specifically Ubuntu). Windows just isn’t worth it anymore.
That’s a good recommendation, I actually did run a windows debloater/spyware before. This just happened to be snuck in with an update I guess? I should probably do it again at this point.
I wouldn’t use Windows if I didn’t have too…I do run Tails and Ubuntu as well but unfortunately 40hrs+ a week on Windows…it sucks.
You have to run it again after every major update.
Run the debloater every update. Some stuff in there is actual settings, but other stuff will be “repaired” by windows.
Also, a workaround to that screen (so far, at least) is to shut the computer down and start up again and it doesn’t return till next update.
Okay, nice! Good information!
Question: if you already don’t like Windows, I assume you don’t care about the new features that come with new updates. So I wonder - why do you update at all? Set everything up as you want it, remove all the hot garbage as you see fit, and disable updates.
Skipping software updates is not a good idea, let alone OS updates. Inbetween all the terribly annoying bullshit they insist on foisting off on people, they do provide security patches and so on.
Primarily for drivers and security updates.
You have a point, I could turn off updates and manually update as I need too but my frustration is that there are ads in the first place.
my frustration is that there are ads in the first place
Fair enough, a very good point.
Personally I’ve been using customized / debloated versions of windows for a couple years now and have not looked back. Every time I spin up a stock Windows VM I’m shocked how atrocious the experience is. Though I understand that a Windows ISO modified by an unknown third party can be scary to some.
I think I would trust an unknown 3rd parties ISO more then the stock Windows at this point really…
There’s been a pretty recent development in the Windows Customization community which released a new toolkit, essentially allowing you to write YAML-based scripts with custom instructions how to modify a live windows installation, which makes the process completely open-source and transparent. I can link some of the projects pages if youre interested to learn more.
How do you like the Snap store and snap packages being pushed on you silently when you try to install packages through APT? :)
Give them a break. They just moved from Windows, you just need to relearn to breath after that. Moving to another distro is a small step in comparison.
Not new to Linux, it’s literally what I’ve been dealing with for work for the last decade. I just meant that I moved the last of my personal machines away from Windows.
I have run into zero issues installing packages from other places. The snap store is a bit annoying but not a big deal. I’ve been on and off using Ubuntu since ~2005 so that’s why I went with it over another distro.
You want a broken Windows install? This is how you get a broken Windows install.
Speaking from experience here. I’ve done this on over a dozen different computers with zero issues over a three month span. It was part of a proposal for transitioning our company computers to Windows 11 while cutting out the junk. None of them had any problems running without Xbox services, Cortana, bloatware games, activity tracking, etc.
We ended up using Microsoft Intune for restricting Windows 10/11 to our standards. But that’s not really available for consumers and debloaters are safe to use instead.
This kind of shit is what made me switch to Linux. I just didn’t feel like I owned my computer anymore.
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I would love to switch, I’ve used Linux a few times but primary use of my machine is for gaming, Valve have done wonders with Proton and the Steamdeck but imo it’s probably not quite there yet?
Depends what kind of games you play. Games like Fortnite, Roblox (though it seems a workaround is being worked on?), R6 won’t work because of their anticheat systems.
Personally, 100% of my Steam library of 200+ games work perfectly on Proton.
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Last time I’ve tried gaming on Linux I had a bad time even connecting my controllers on it, it’s plug and play on windows, do you think there has been any improvement on that regard?
Is not only improved, but it’s getting better. I find it hard that a controller didn’t work on Linux. Which ones were there? Xbox works plug and play, always had. Linux got Play Station controls to work on them before Windows had a driver for them. Originally those things were paid options on Windows. Third party are pretty much cookie cutter drivers that all have always worked seamlessly on Linux. If you have any lingering doubt, you can read the reviews on the Steam Deck, essentially, if it works on a Steam Deck, it will work on a PC with Linux installed. Steam’s BigScreen mode turns any regular PC into a controller-centric Console like experience.
Yeah, I play with generic ps4-like controllers. I’ve been really considering switching to Linux these days, but I feel like such a beginner… Anyway, thanks for the response!
Yeah, I’m going to see about Quebes or just running VM inside Ubuntu at this point.
The most infuriating thing about windows to me is the big stupid fucking red X on every single file, reminding me that I’m not currently storing my shit on someone else’s computer. Is there a way to remove that service from my computer entirely?
Uninstall onedrive
That’s what I did, it’s one of the few things that it does let you uninstall.
Disable Manage folder backup feature in OneDrive settings -> Backup -> Manage backup -> Stop backup on all folders, or toggle them off on newer version.
It’s not your computer, it’s Microsoft’s. That’s the message I get from using windows.
In otherwords, it’s Apple now, but with none of the benefits.
It is literally not - they sell licenses to large companies, and individual users are only an afterthought.
We can bitch all we want but their dollars still go up
And those dollars need to go up so those who invest get returns. And you are an idiot if you don’t invest your money, what kind of loser doesn’t invest their money? Don’t you want your dollars to go up?
Line goes up!
Line goes up - the rich get richer.
Line goes down - people lose their jobs.
Eh, this particular screen is kind if misleading. You say you dont see a “skip” or “do not remind again” button, well that’s because those buttons are on the next screen(s) for each individual feature. I’ve gotten this screen a couple times, just click through and you can skip/opt out of all the features. It’s kind of silly, but I think the point is that they want you to look at each new feature individually.
Yeah, but nothing here would be considered as a “new feature” and each is an ad for a product that OP chose not to use during initial install. As such, s/he shouldn’t be reminded of them, especially not during an OS update and certainly not with an unskippable window. Yes, s/he has the option to skip each feature individually later, but this initial window is either a “remind me later” or a “do it now”.
To get into specifics of each item:
OneDrive has been around forever.
If OP customized his/her browsing experience, s/he clearly doesn’t want “Microsoft recommended browser settings” (which, by the way, is Edge with Bing search and with all telemetry turn on high).
365 has been around for a while, and this thing is pushing the subscription (by definition, an ad for a paid product).
Windows Phone app isn’t new, either.
Microsoft Hello has been around for about as long as Windows Phone app and features.
Then this screen itself is misleading, because it gives no indication that you don’t need to do the stuff. It should have the X to close the screen, like every other window that isn’t malware.
It should have the X to close the screen, like every other window that isn’t malware.
In other words, it’s designed exactly as intended.
You can prevent this. Click remind later then go to your notifications in the settings app. Uncheck “Suggest ways I can finish setting up” and anything else you don’t want to see.
I love that I have to go out of my way and follow online instructions to undo something that they forced on me in the first place. That’s customer antagonistic design for you.
*Complains that Microsoft gives you a way to turn something off.
Looks like you missed his point completely
Alternatively: You can prevent this. Use a different operating system.
This is the best option, I like Fedora
You meant GNU/Linux.
GNU/BSD or GNU/HURD would be fine, too. Or even something like ReactOS or Haiku, for that matter.
The important thing is that the OS respects you as the owner of the computer and does what you tell it to do, instead of trying to subvert your authority to serve a master other than yourself (e.g. the OS publisher or third-parties that want to colonize your property for their own benefit).
“No thanks, I’d rather complain that Microsoft advertising their other services in a totally configurable setting which I can disable is the same as the entire OS literally being an ad.”
Why do we have to take more time to disable this shit? We are not all.made of unlimited time. And yes “it only takes a few seconds”. Every time something like this shows up the seconds add up
Windows users are in an abusive relationship. It’s sad, but not unexpected, that some make excuses for their abuser.
Meanwhile when someone doesn’t want to switch to Linux or Firefox…
“Just install seventeen extensions bro, why do you need tab stacking anyways? It’s worth it to be FOSS to take three weeks to get your Arch install just the way you like it.”
You absolutely have the time, you just want to bitch.
If you hate being used by Windows so much, you really should try an alternative, unless you’re a professional that uses software that just can’t run on Linux at all, chances are you can get most of what you use a computer for working fine. In return you get freedom, privacy, choice, performance.
Or if you hate it but are too reluctant to change for whatever reason, that’s totally fine, but just say that. Don’t spread misinformation about Linux.
It’s worth it to be FOSS to take three weeks to get your Arch install just the way you like it.
Literally no one ever says this. Just use Fedora. Almost completely seamless. There’s a KDE version if you want to have the same workflow as windows without configuring anything. You don’t have to use firefox, brave or ungoogled chromium are FOSS too.
Slow it down a notch, I already use Nobara on two machines and have a steam deck running SteamOS. I’m all for open source, but the “why does windows show me annoying plebian features by default, it’s SOOOOOO horrible I have to look through and disable them manually it takes so mich time” feels kind of trite when meanwhile people complain about the time sink in learning a Linux install (even a PnP distro) is hand waived away as not a commitment.
It just feels hypocritical, like a huge blind spot in the community. They claim Windows is so hard to deal with on the most minor shit.
It’s not just about the inconvenience though. Windows is paid. It’s at least 100 bucks. It’s not even “free but you are the product” like Google drive or whatever. Yet it still abuses you, controls you and exploits you, and you have to do tons of workarounds for it to not get in your way. Most of them are always temporary, as a new update reenables everything again or directly circumvents the workaround you used.
If you are locked into the ecosystem, then I do agree that it’s annoying that people think moving to Linux is seamless. It wasn’t for me, it even cost me money since I had to buy an AMD gpu for things to work well + another GPU to passthrough to a windows VM and still use Clip Studio. But if someone only uses their computer for things that can be done seamlessly on Linux, and they genuinely dislike and are against all the bullshit Windows always does, it’s worth it to tell them there is a viable alternative, and what they heard about “you have to use the command line for everything meaningful!” or “everything breaks all the time!” hasn’t been true for years.
I guess I found the secret button to disable it, then. Because I haven’t had a single ad or bloatware style notification in a long time on my desktop. I’m sorry I just really think it’s overblown and basically a meme at this point.
I’ve had a lot of success with Nobara, it’s why I put it on my old recycle pile laptop from my last job. Not only does it just work from the get go but it has a lot of built in functionality for things like discord and game launches that I’d prefer not to spend hours messing around with on a Debian or Arch install.
Windows 10 is my last windows. When it’s no longer supported I guess I’ll have to learn to use Linux.
I’m not waiting for that, just waiting until I have a free few days to figure out linux.
Also abandoning Android for Graphene as soon as I get a new phone.
Enshittification advances ever onwards
It only takes like an evening. Go with Linux Mint and essentially you will be using your computer in a half hour. Everything else is the fun of discovering all the cool stuff that Linux does easier and more flexible than Windows.
Agreed. Linux Mint shows just how turnkey the user-friendly distros are these days. Even though it is not designed as one of the lightweight, speedy and efficient distributions for experts, it absolutely feels that way compared to windows. And that’s with windows running natively and Mint in a VM.
Can you elaborate on the cool stuff?
The terminal is essentially arcane magic, with bash scripting out of the box, this is big if you’re a programmer. Most Linux desktop environments have workspaces and tiling features which make workflow really easy and fluid. Something that Windows is only getting now on W11. Everything is customizable, so you will learn the meaning of the term “ricing”. Which is to make your desktop look as cool as possible, since everything from the fonts and icons to the color of the taskbars and transparency are 100% customizable. There are several rabbit holes you can choose to go into just on aesthetics. But then you have actual productivity stuff like learning your distro’s package manager, backup utilities, etc.
Just wrote myself a bash script that uses ssh to fork to background, authentication via key to an ssh server it creates; forwards to tor; tor OR proxies to socks5; creates a shadowsocks server and client, connects the client; and forwards to a remote socks5 server via ssh dynamic forwarded port.
This is my first real script.
Linux is bonkers.
I love it.
Also: Gtk is the way. Qt is not my friend.
Give us an update in a few months how that goes for you
Been on Linux for 15+ years and on graphene for about a year. It’s fine. Keep a backup (quarantined) Windows box for games but don’t use it much.
Keep a backup (quarantined) Windows box for games but don’t use it much.
The last vestige of my Windows install is a disk image that I haven’t touched in half a decade. The SSD it was on itself has long since been reused for something else.
Or you can use ShutUp to turn off a bunch of annoying shit that microsoft pushes
Is it open source?
You should probably start learning before your OS is out of support.
Windows 7 was my last Windows. Why wait?
You could try dual booting to make the migration a little less extreme. I started that around the time Windows 11 came out and realized about a year later I don’t use Windows for personal stuff anymore. Windows is now gone and I do not really miss it.
Pro-tip for dual booting Linux: make it the primary OS. Humans are inherently resistant to change, so you need to set yourself up for overcoming that.
If you shift over to Windows 10 LTSC you’ll get security updates until 2032.
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The Windows 11 Set Up Wizard with the following text: Let’s finish setting up your PC Your PC needs to be backed up and connected to a few more Microsoft services to help you work more easily and securely across all your devices. Back up your files with OneDrive cloud storage Have peace of mind knowing they’re backed up and available across your devices. Enhance your web browsing experience Restore Microsoft recommended browser settings. Achieve more with a Microsoft 365 subscription Get premium Microsoft 365 apps, 1 TB of cloud storage to back up files and photos, and more. Back up your phone to your PC Access your phone’s photos, texts, and more, right on your PC. Sign in quickly with Windows Hello Securely unlock your device with a touch or a smile. Below are the buttons Remind me in 3 days and Continue
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Is there a way to put alt text in lemmy? I could see the benefit especially for screen readers. I could only see putting it in the content section right?
Mostly I’ve seen it in the text part of the post as part or all of the description/text.
Don’t support Windows. Just use windows activation scripts and run Chris Titus Tech’s Windows security and debloating script. If you can, you’re better off on Linux.
Go to Settings > System > Notifications. Turn off the last three check boxes. This screen won’t come back.
