I’m curious as to what Fediverse folks prefer. Discord is kind of everywhere.
- [Jeffrey Paul] Discord is Not an Acceptable Choice for Free Software Projects
- [Drew DeVault] Please Don’t Use Discord for FOSS Projects (fixed link)
- [Matthew Cengia] Stop Using Discord for Your Open Source Communities
That isn’t solved by Matrix though.
I guess it depends on how feasible it is to create a crawler and search engine. If you had bots crawl discord servers, continuously index everything, and then create a search engine for it, you’d probably be breaking their TOS and they’d C&D you. But I don’t think there’d be anything preventing someone from doing that on matrix. Matrix is just as decentralized as the web.
I don’t think that breaks their tos as long as the server owner consents, official bot API allows you to go through chat history
Yeah probably, though any good search engine starts by presuming consent until the owner explicitly says otherwise (robots.txt), and discord would probably take issue with that.
I mean in this case consent is enforced by the fact they’d need permissions to add the bot (if it was done properly and not via a self bot which would break tos)
Ah right, users and bots are treated differently. So yeah, in order to crawl disc servers without first asking every single one permission, you’d have to break the ToS. I have no idea if matrix has a separate “bot” type account.
Really, I think the matrix protocol needs some kind of support for this. I mean, both discord and matrix do, but I don’t think discord would ever do it.
Every single one meaning every server owner and not every user in the server I’m guessing?
Could definitely market a bot that generates a wiki from discord (maybe manages ticket, has git integration etc) to people who run these things though it’s not like the server owners are deliberately locking away their documentation and much of them have ticketing bots already
I will add “a fucking chatroom where they ban you for political reasons and there’s at least 3 accounts testing the water for how much nazism they can get away with and if you report them to the mods/admins they say they don’t see it and then ban you for wasting their time.”
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You know what they say, it’s easier to turn Matrix users into family than family into Matrix users
I tried using both, in an effort to migrate from Discord. However, after a period of trying to figure out a good workflow and set-up in Matrix—finding an “instance” to set-up an accounts, configuring a private room for me and my SO to have a private chat in, and all that—we just gave up when the instance we had accounts in just folded.
I would have wanted to move to Matrix but I’m just too smooth-brained for it, and so in Discord I stay (keeping in mind that it’s neither private nor safe to be there).
The flagship instance is pretty solid. Right now matrix instances seem to consume a lot of resources which makes it expensive to run for admins.
You’ve convinced me to give Matrix another try. I’ve made an account on the flagship instance and perhaps I’ll explore around for a while.
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I’m not a fan of proprietary things like Discord, GitHub, Reddit, etc
Internet Relay Chat.
Ok grandpa let’s get you back to bed
Granted it’s old technology, but lots of FOSS projects have homes on irc.
Also, it’s not run by Megacorp that steals your data and shoves ads in your face.
Matrix, obviously. If it’s not open source, I really don’t want to touch it.
“Obviously” yeah okay have fun on your dead instances
Don’t seem very dead to me. I found quite a bit of people to talk to. There’s an awful lot of chatter for a dead place.
It’s there though? I’ve been trying it for a while and even the most popular rooms are just dead.
Are you sure that you actually know how to browse the rooms? I just opened my app, and I see, just for some examples, Linux gaming, vegan, and pine 64 all having activity within the past hour or so.
I mean it’s no discord by any stretch, But you’re actually straight up saying that even the most active ones are 100% dead, there’s something going on with how you’re browsing and looking at the rooms.
I feel like one of the biggest communication problems with stuff relating to open protocols or fediverse stuff, is that no one knows the lay of the land, there’s no broadly held consensus of whether things are active or not, what the culture is like, and you end up with people making confident matter of fact statements that are just transparently not true based on cursory examination.
When Mastodon was new, reporters would just make matter of fact claims that one of its downfalls was that instances couldn’t connect with each other, even though that was called federating and just one of the most basic built-in features. Not that I’m the biggest fan of Blue Sky, but now that people are talking about blue sky, I’ve seen people just matter of factly claim that Blue Sky was 90% furry porn and rage bait. A totally outrageous claim, not even remotely aligned with my experience, but, just because there’s no settled consensus about what’s going on, there’s not really any disincentive for someone just coming in and randomly saying that.
Well, I have absolutely not has that experience. I’m in quite a number of rooms and have trouble keeping up with them. And so generally don’t keep up to date with all of them.
Matrix when talking about anything nerdy and niche, because those people are on matrix, and there tend to be fewer idiots there
Discord for gaming because it’s what all my friends have and for everything else because there aren’t that many groups on matrix
Neither on any regular basis.
I hate discord, and only use it for coordinating game playing, and that’s maybe an hour or two a month.
Matrix is okay, but nobody else I know is willing to use it. It’s still not great as a chat/messenger imo. Good, and not problematic in the ways that matter to me, but it’s not going to replace something like telegram any time soon (which is great, but problematic in a few ways).
Everyone I know uses discord, and any attempt to try matrix with friends has more friction than discord. We often make use of streaming gameplay to each other, and I don’t know if that functionality works in matrix because we never get that far.
I’m lucky enough that a couple of my friends are willing to use Matrix to message me, but most communities I’m a part of are on Discord.
I use discord to talk with friends who use discord. I tried to use matrix but it seemed like a hassle and there’s no chance in hell that anyone I know uses it.
Signal! Obviously, it doesn’t scale, but for my friends and family, it does everything we need.
No
Neither.
