Exploding-heads.com is another instance on Lemmy where alt-right MAGA types tend to reside. Some people on this server want us to defederate from them immediately, some people want to save defederation as a last resort. They have 104 active users (more stats below).

It seems that exploding-heads has also experienced a recent botswarm invasion. This is obviously another point in favor of defederating them, assuming you are worried about botswarms, which is currently being discussed here.

My advice to you all is please try to discuss this in a civil manner, we need not allow them to create divisive conflict inside our communities. No matter how the vote turns out, you’re not going to be able to defederate from your fellow sh.itheads so be nice.

I’ve linked many of the previous discussions below so people who are out of the loop can get a general sense of the situation.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/216888 https://sh.itjust.works/post/225714 https://sh.itjust.works/post/281126 https://sh.itjust.works/post/410325

Lemmy.world just recently defederated them.

https://lemmy.world/post/747912

https://lemmy.world/post/577526

Although this could be considered a point in favor of defederation, it actually means even if we vote to remain federated, people have a great alternative in lemmy.world where they can still participate in our communities and simultaneously be protected from exploding-heads.

Ensuring diversity of servers is beneficial to the platform as a whole, but it is also not our responsibility to bear that burden.

TLDR, just wrap up any last points in this thread before we open the vote tomorrow. Please be civil.

EDIT: To clarify, this isn’t the official vote, this is the final discussion. The vote thread will be posted tomorrow and you will only be allowed to make a single comment saying Aye or Nay.

EDIT2: Vote thread is up, this thread is now locked. Very lively discussion thread sh.itheads. Please try to be more respectful next time.

  • foxtrots@sh.itjust.works
    626·
    1 year ago

    I don’t use nazi lightly.

    Seems your whole argument mixed Republican and Nazi ideology into one when they are separate things.

    Yes someone one that thinks minority, and Jews should be scrubbed of this earth is a bad person but there are other aspects you are throwing into the mix. For example

    They foamed at the mouth when asked to do the bare minimum and wear a mask to help protect their more vulnerable countrymen during a pandemic

    This seems to leave the definition of a Nazi and fall more under people that took issue with mask. I wouldn’t imagine a Nazi to say “countymen”. If a Nazi lived in an all white town would they wear a mask because they valued the lives of a white person more? Again it’s seems like there’s a bit of a classification problem to me.

    Are all people that don’t were mask Nazis?

    Are all Republicans Nazis?

    Is any right wing belief just a dog whistle for white supremacy?

    Are corporations run by neoconservatives all just Nazis who tow a progressive narrative to hide there actions but they should be banned as well?

    • OptimistPrime@sh.itjust.works
      151·
      1 year ago

      My example with the mask was to highlight the inconsistency that folks on the right exhibit. They claimed that wearing masks was a violation of their freedoms, but also seem to be in favor of policies that limit people’s freedoms. They claimed that the masks made it so they couldn’t breathe. But then there were plenty of insurrectionists on Jan. 6 wearing masks. They believe some unsubstantiated misinformation on Facebook about how the vaccines will implant trackers into them, but disbelieve the scientists who tell them they’re safe. They pick and choose their arguments and what they’ll believe without critical thought.

      Of course I don’t think people who refuse to wear masks are Nazis. That’s silly. I just think they’re selfish. And of course I don’t think all Republicans are Nazis. And like I said before, I wouldn’t want to be in place where there couldn’t be honest debate about different politics. But I’m not convinced they have any actual legitimate principles anymore. Nazi ideology, book bans, and violent rhetoric against lgbtq are not topics I’m willing to have an honest discussion about because there’s nothing to discuss. Those things don’t belong in a society. Now if they want to discuss the merits of legitimate conservative policies, those kinds of debates should absolutely be allowed. But I haven’t seen much lately showing that they even has those principles anymore sadly.

    • fuck_u_spez@lemmy.fmhy.ml
      71·
      1 year ago

      Wait Republicans are not Nazis?

      That would be new to me…

      It’s a spectrum, and I honestly put that label Increasingly onto Republicans, but I’m living in europe, everything seems to be a little bit less extreme here (but the trend is unfortunately not that good either). I think to keep a place civil one has to moderate unfortunately, since hate is so much apparent nowadays (likely promoted by the “legacy” social networks). A place of true free speech with civil discussion and without hate is unfortunately just unrealistic utopia…