The natural-gas connection was sabotaged in September 2022, seven months after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, prompting rampant speculation about who was to blame.
No, it was definitely straight up the US. Ignore any bullshit about yachts and Ukrainian divers.
Here is the USS Kearsage - one of the only ships in the world with a moon pool that would allow divers to operate at the pipeline’s depth - leaving after “NATO exercises” in the area of the pipeline five days before it exploded
Here is a USN Boeing P-8A Anti-Submarine plane - one of the only planes in the world that can generate a radio pulse capable of reaching to the depth of the pipeline - flying along the length of the pipeline almost exactly 24 hours before it exploded
Here is President of the United States Joseph Robinette Biden, stating that the Nord Stream 2 project - which competes with US LNG sales to Europe - will not be allowed to continue; just out of frame is Chancellor of Germany Olaf Scholz, who offers no form of contradiction or rebuttal
I mean, that US basically owns germany since WW2… has a basis with privileges like an embassy for near east espionage in g… has intelligence programs where g would like to be a closer partner…
The propaganda says the Russians did it (which is ridiculous, it’s their own pipeline, and they could just shut it down on their end if they wanted to). Either way, there’s no way the US didn’t at least consent to it, and yeah, most likely was more directly involved in it.
Propaganda says both: first that Russia did it, then that Ukraine did it. The former is insulting stupid and the second is more subtle but still makes no logistical sense, as Ukraine lacks the specialized equipment and personnel required. The “Ukraine did it” narrative is one that’s still safer for the NATO bloc group that certainly did it, as even if they acknowledge it as true (which they don’t need to and have avoided doing), it’s easy to brush under the rug as Good Slava Ukraini Resistance.
This is why these countries doing investigations are mum. They know neither narrative is true.
Lack of any reaction from Germany after the Ukraine version was announced is very telling. You would think they would at least consider to stop gutting their own country to help a country that supposedly did such thing, but nothing happened at all.
The war hawks answer would be so that we can economically separate russia-germany so that germany is more willing to go against russia. If Germany is dependent on gas from Russia they are less willing to risk their relationship.
At the time, Germany was on the fence about sanctions because they were getting gas via the Nordstream from Russia and didn’t want to endanger that. Sudden, completely unexpected lack of gas from Russia = no impediment to backing sanctions. And that’s how it turned out.
So… The US did it.
Ukraine actually did it, but there’s no chance they’d do that without the US giving the go-ahead.
No, it was definitely straight up the US. Ignore any bullshit about yachts and Ukrainian divers.
Here is the USS Kearsage - one of the only ships in the world with a moon pool that would allow divers to operate at the pipeline’s depth - leaving after “NATO exercises” in the area of the pipeline five days before it exploded
Here is a USN Boeing P-8A Anti-Submarine plane - one of the only planes in the world that can generate a radio pulse capable of reaching to the depth of the pipeline - flying along the length of the pipeline almost exactly 24 hours before it exploded
Here is President of the United States Joseph Robinette Biden, stating that the Nord Stream 2 project - which competes with US LNG sales to Europe - will not be allowed to continue; just out of frame is Chancellor of Germany Olaf Scholz, who offers no form of contradiction or rebuttal
I mean, that US basically owns germany since WW2… has a basis with privileges like an embassy for near east espionage in g… has intelligence programs where g would like to be a closer partner…
Not disputing you but very interested in reading more and sources - I always was very skeptical the volunteer Ukrainian saboteurs angle
From what I have heard it is actually really hard to do, and only a few countries have the capabilities and equipment.
lol no. You’ve made the classic blunder of believing a propaganda narrative.
The propaganda says the Russians did it (which is ridiculous, it’s their own pipeline, and they could just shut it down on their end if they wanted to). Either way, there’s no way the US didn’t at least consent to it, and yeah, most likely was more directly involved in it.
Propaganda says both: first that Russia did it, then that Ukraine did it. The former is insulting stupid and the second is more subtle but still makes no logistical sense, as Ukraine lacks the specialized equipment and personnel required. The “Ukraine did it” narrative is one that’s still safer for the NATO bloc group that certainly did it, as even if they acknowledge it as true (which they don’t need to and have avoided doing), it’s easy to brush under the rug as Good Slava Ukraini Resistance.
This is why these countries doing investigations are mum. They know neither narrative is true.
Lack of any reaction from Germany after the Ukraine version was announced is very telling. You would think they would at least consider to stop gutting their own country to help a country that supposedly did such thing, but nothing happened at all.
Right? Nothing from their political class.
wait why are we blowing up fkn pipelines now exactly?
The war hawks answer would be so that we can economically separate russia-germany so that germany is more willing to go against russia. If Germany is dependent on gas from Russia they are less willing to risk their relationship.
At the time, Germany was on the fence about sanctions because they were getting gas via the Nordstream from Russia and didn’t want to endanger that. Sudden, completely unexpected lack of gas from Russia = no impediment to backing sanctions. And that’s how it turned out.
German industry was seen as competition by the US, and US didn’t like Germany becoming economically tied with Russia.