I assume “Other purposes” is govt kickbacks to mining and gas companies 😬
One thing to note about this breakdown is that it wasn’t legislated with good intention but it was implemented in a very malicious compliance way that completely counteracted the original intention.
This receipt was legislated by the conservative party in Australia under Tony Abbott, the surface level intention was to “show where people’s tax dollars are spent”. However the underlying intention was to show welfare spending as a huge category that totally eclipsed all other spending in order to demonize welfare, particularly unemployment welfare. In order to build public support for rolling back that spending.
However when the letter was implemented, the welfare category was further broken down as you see here, completely working against the narrative that the government at the time was trying to spin (that unemployment welfare particularly was a huge drain on society).
Instead it shows that boomers are the real drain on society
Nice
Well, are they lying? It’s just true that welfare costs a lot of money (the “aged” category takes like half of my country’s taxes)
Yes, they were lying. We are not talking about the aged pension here.
Still, in the long term it just improved the government’s transparency
I love that it helps you see how little of the welfare payments are going to the unemployed, since that’s the part that concerns people the most.
That’s a newer addition, when it first came out under a conservative Goverment, all welfare was grouped together.
Classic Conservative tactic.
“Evil, stupid, greedy-” stuffs pockets “-jobless, welfare scroungers!” stuffs pockets “Pensioners, vote for me to bring down our welfare spending!”
Uk government tried this a few yrs ago trying to spin the welfare part as work shy bambots then it came out that the lions share was pension pots that took up most of it with the teachers pensions being the one the media focused on
Always liked this because it helps people see to some extent where money is going.
I know the UK and Portugal do this as well. It was especially interesting in the UK during the Brexit years because you could see a tiny piece of that pie chart with EU contributions, almost saying “this is how little of our money is going to Europe”, didn’t do any good in the end but hey, still great info to have that all detailed
the UK do this as well
They do?
Well shit, they do! Shame they don’t actually tell you about it actively - as you said, they probably don’t want most people to realise.
That welfare budget is a load of of shit, too. If you have a look at the actual breakdown, most goes on housing (read: private landlords) and(!) pensions.
Some crafty fucker in the dwp had the genius idea of splitting up state and civil service pensions, placing civil service pensions under the welfare group to make the welfare bill higher. Out of the welfare budget I think only 5% of that goes on the unemployed. Out of that 5% only 1% of that 5% figure goes to the long term unemployed. (Being on the dole >6months). Yet they only bang on shit the feckless and workshy…
You can request this in most countries, especially here in Canada. It’s cool that the Aussie government makes it more transparent and accessible though. The “other purposes” seems a bit sussy-baka, though.
There is no excuse for any country not to do this TBH. The math is really easy and uses already available information: take the year’s total federal spending for different things, specifically in the form of percentages of the year’s total tax revenue (hopefully the government has been keeping track of what they’ve been using the money for) and multiply by the total taxes paid by a specific person and you get exactly how much of their money went to what. This assumes every person’s tax revenue is treated the same which I’m pretty sure is at least mostly the case in every country.
If they release the national spending percentages (which they should) then it’d be pretty easy for individuals to calculate these themselves.
Well there is a reason: they spend it on bullshit and they don’t want tax payers to know
i’m assuming that “other purposes” are other categories that each are smaller than the ones listed. they are probably available on a website or something that gives the full list.
it would be nice if they had merged them together in wider but more informative categories though
In my country government spending is mystery for tax payers.
In most countries tbh
Fun fact: in the United States you can request this same sort of receipt. It’s slightly different, but all you have to do is request it, and they can show you exactly how many brown people they shot, or godless communists they’ve brought democracy to with your taxes!
In the US they’d have to print it Landscape in order to have room for the Military bar.
On one of those long ass printer papers with the tear off edges from the 80s.
I strongly believe that this should be the standard everywhere. Unfortunately most governments won’t tell you this, because a few of them are busy building golden temples for their authoritarian leaders, and blowing half of it on cocaine while pretending it’s the immigrants’ faults
I agree with you 100% that this should be standard everywhere, but here’s the thing… this information is readily available already.
At least in the US. But just like with most thing, it takes citizens a willingness to show the tiniest bit of effort to find that information.
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58888
This is but one of many sites which show a breakdown of where our money in the US goes. Having one that breaks down each person’s personal contribution would be especially interesting, but a percent is a percent so if 20% of our money collectively goes to X, then 20% of what your paid as an individual will also go to X.
sometimes accessibility and user experience is more important than "its available if you look for it.: 99% of people don’t really have time, they have families, jobs, some leisure, cooking, paying bills, visiting family. etc. etc. So it should be easy and the FACT that it isn’t easy is purposeful whereas the Australian system is purposefully easy.
I don’t disagree with your sentiment, but again, it IS easy. It took me less than 10 seconds to find the link I provided. Sure, make it even easier still by including it with every tax return, but let’s not kid ourselves - this shit is incredibly easy but average taxpayers just don’t want to bother.
I would argue average taxpayers don’t know it exists and a ton of them, particularly older ones have a very hard time with technology. I’ve had to show my mother in law how to get a url from her phone to her desk top, I’ve explained what the read mode means in Firefox, and numerous other things. Easy for you doesn’t mean easy for everyone.
Not only this, I think this should be selectable by taxpayers before they pay taxes so they can customize the amount that goes to each category. This would be the true democratic way of doing it. So, for example, based on your salary you need to pay 20k in taxes. You’d then select how much you want to go into Transportation, Healthcare, defense, education, etc.
This would quickly force the government agencies to work for their money.
This wouldn’t be truely democratic. It would rather be just like donations. Government spending works, because it’s all out into the same basket. If it weren’t, then rich taxpayers would move the movey to projects they want - and as would have very little old-age welfare, because they don’t pay much taxes anymk6and every group in society would put the money into their projects.
Tax-deductible donations get you part way there.
And if you get caught using a public service you didn’t pay for, you get fined.
I also think people should not be allowed to vote unless they pay a flat poll tax. Otherwise it’s a conflict of interest.
That would just reduce representation for low income people. That’s an absolutely abhorrent idea.
Then have them pool their money together to get a vote.
see this for a bit of education on the topic: https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/oligarchs-against-democracy
What? Are you a teenager or something?
Either weak sarcasm or three Republicans stacked in a trenchcoat.
Eww you guys are getting close to spending more on education than the military. Slippery slope.
As mentioned by @w2qw@aussie.zone above:
This is just federal spending. Most educational spending is at the state level.
It gets worse-
They spell defense with a c!
Those goddamn commies need some freedumb!!!
Sarcasm I hope?
if you can’t tell this is sarcasm, then you might not be best placed to be on the internet message boards, as you might misunderstand 99% of comments
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No way!
Another thing that’s great about aussie tax… you can fill it out yourself, it’s very easy, all online, and it takes a very short time. They also explain every question in the form and have lots of materials that you can read. For me, I finish it each year in about 10 minutes, and never think about it again.
In the UK tax is deducted ‘at source’ by your employer for anybody employed. You have a personal tax code, which tells your employer how much tax to deduct and pay on you behalf.
You then have a number of allowances you can claim against if you are eligible, to reduce your tax, which issues you an updated tax code.
It is a very similar system in Australia. Must employees have their tax taken out when they are paid.
You can then claim deductions on certain things, and also make sure if you have multiple jobs you paid the correct tax.
Most people get some money back every year
In Norway, we just get it prefilled based on automatically reported data, and it’s delivered by default after a certain date - you can of course make changes up until then (and retroactively up to 3 years later).
It’s prefilled in Australia too, we just go through and double check it’s okay and then hit submit
The US doesn’t give you a nice little letter, but you can go to https://usafacts.org/visualizations/the-big-picture/ to see something similar.
It must be so nice to see such a small bar for your defense spending.
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This is just federal spending. Most educational spending is at the state level.
I don’t know much but I don’t think Australia works that way? Do they have “states” or some equivalent? Curiously asking.
Yeah we have 6 states. Australia is a federation like the US. There’s no equivalent to this form because we don’t have any state income taxes.
Ahh I see. Interesting! Thank you for clarifying.
It’s still 8.6%, that’s quite a lot actually…
Yeah because that shit is totally not needed. AU and EU need to step up their shit. Iran and China sure are.
Except we don’t want to be the USA of the Asia pacific region.
You people live in a fantasy world where physical threats do not exist. The US is leading the way protecting Asia and Europe. The entire balkins would be under RU is it wasn’t for that spending.
The spending it’s needed and it’s EU/Asia doesn’t step up it’s game they’ll ultimately be a second tier power to the United States perpetually. Their call I guess 🤷♂️.
We know more about geo politics in the region than you do. And your drastic oversimplification does not actually result in a reasonable and coherent plan for peace in the Asia pacific region. Again I’ll say, your presence and commentary in this case is misinformed and incorrect.
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I mean sadly you’re right - people like to hate on our defense spending in the US, but who does the world look towards when Russia invades Ukraine? It sucks that it needs to be this way, but if we don’t have a strong deterrent to other countries then we’re just asking for problems. Look at how aggressive China and Russia have gotten recently, with China inching closer to an invasion of Taiwan. Who’s going to be laughing when the US is there to help Taiwan?
Also isn’t usa paying for other countrys military not sure if this is true
I’m not sure why your being downvoted, but it’s true. Allied countries of the U.S. do not have to put much towards their military budget do to being able to rely on the U.S.
The U.S. has a strong military presence in the Indo-pacific region and if they didn’t, surely some adversaries would have already been having their way.
It’s unfortunate it comes to this but that’s just the facts.
People think big military = war, while in fact it‘s the opposite.
what’s your guess as to the percentage of US military spending compared to its tax revenue?
Cries in American 😥
99% “defence”
1% other
Forgot the part where the government supports monopolies
I paid twice that in taxes here in the USA and I still don’t have proper health insurance. If I got sick, I would be destitute.
I think something like this would make U.S. citizens feel better about taxes in general, since it can sometimes feel like you’re throwing a large portion of your hard-earned money away.
The data to create this is essentially public with budget bills right? It would just take building a percentage tree and categorizing them appropriately. I might look into how complex this would be to build.
its basically just proportioning out the nations budget against the amount of tax paid,assuming you had access to how much was spent where by category, it would be a peice of piss to make
You pay 20 000 $ of taxes!!!
Yes, from a salary of about 90k. However this is federal tax. We dont pay individual state taxes as well. Our sales tax is built into the price of goods. Our healthcare is also completely free.
Comparatively, in the US a $90k USD salary is about $10,415 in federal taxes.
However, my family healthcare is about $22k in premiums alone, for a high-deductible plan. This includes the employer-paid portion, as that is part of my total compensation package. Then there is the deductible ($5k) before the insurance starts paying out. And this is not including Medicare/SS taxes as well.
