The tea party was created by the koch brothers. It was entirely artificially motivated. There’s nobody attempting to astroturf a democrat tea party movement
Both-sides bullshit. What’s being talked about is grassroots engagement. The Tea Party was astroturf.
What do we throw into Boston harbor? Printed out tweets? AWS servers? The entire Trump administration itself?
Yes.
If that means progressives finally surging to run and vote in the Democratic primaries then great. Reminder that the Tea Party movement wasn’t ever a 3rd party, and a significant contributor to its success was the billionaire Koch brothers pouring money into state legislatures first, and US Congress second. A new minor party won’t succeed much beyond county level without nationwide electoral reform (ranked choice), and only 26 states have voter-led ballot initiatives (the rest require the legislature to approve direct ballot propositions).
I think the opposite is happening. The DNC is doubling/tripling down and the base keeps splintering and getting smaller.
https://www.kqed.org/news/12033207/sf-latinx-club-leaves-local-democratic-party
Progressives will be trying to build an alternative to the corporatist zionist dems. I think the party is more or less over. They no longer have the votes to win a national race, nor is any help coming from the right or the left. There is no trump bump because the democratic party doesnt seem useful now or able to win in the future. And zionists will keep it frozen this way because they prefer trump to dems anyway.
Progressives will be trying to build an alternative to the corporatist zionist dems.
But how? There are already multiple parties beyond the big two. Minor parties who have existed for decades. But only 3 of them were on the ballot in more than 10 states in 2024. There’s just no way, in voting math, that a new party can just drop in and take place. Local and county seats (your link about SF LatinX group), sure. But state and federal 3rd parties are a pipe dream.
If there are enough progressives to beat a Democratic candidate (not even win the general but just beat the Democratic candidate), then there enough to win the Democratic primary. And then there will be a chance to beat the Republican rather than splitting the vote. And if there aren’t, then splitting the vote just means more MAGA.
Without progressive support the dnc cant win a national election alone any more than we can.
Indeed I agree. Which is why I’m advocating for progressive candidates to run in the Democratic party primaries, and for the progressive voters to actually support them in those primaries.
Which is why I’m advocating for progressive candidates to run in the Democratic party primaries
Progressives have difficulty trusting what democrats call primaries.
I don’t think they’ve participated in them consistently enough and in a large enough scale for it. Either that or there simply aren’t enough progressive voters to defeat the centrists and neoliberals. In which case splintering into a third party essentially means permanent Republican majority. Everybody wants to cite Bernie as proof that a progressive isn’t allowed to win when the reality is simply that more people voted for Hillary in 2016 (not a single superdelegate vote was needed to give her the win at the convention, and the DNC changed the rules in 2018 onwards so that superdelegates don’t even vote in the convention unless the pledged delegates can’t elect a nominee in the first round) and the same is true of Biden in 2020.
I didn’t ask for your apologia. Democrats literally argued in court that they don’t have to run fair primaries.
And won.
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I call bullshit on the vote splitting.
So you’re either voting a right-leaning candidate or a left-leaning candidate. If there are multiple candidates from one of those two halves of the spectrum on the ballot where the recipient of the most votes wins, the vote for that half is split and lowers the threshold for the most popular candidate from the other half.
And so far, the Democrats have been fucking useless. So what we vote for a useless Democrat, or a fascist, or split the ticket and maybe someone worth a shit will win.
So don’t vote for them. Get a progressive to run in the next primary and then go vote in the primary to replace the useless person. When I advocate for voting in the Democratic primaries, it’s not to support incumbents like Pelosi and Schumer. They can fuck all the way off for failing so badly. It’s to utilize the infrastructure and ballot access that the Democratic party has that no third party can come remotely close to competing with. After decades of existence neither the Green party nor the Libertarian party were on the ballot in all 50 states in 2024. By all means, go 3rd party in local, even county, races when they have a chance in the polls.
The primaries are open to any candidate who meets the requirements (ie filing deadline and signatures from the district, etc). Don’t rely on a party to provide you a candidate. Fucking go participate in the process to select better candidates (but they also have to actually fucking run in those primaries, too).
In 2016, folks voted against Hillary. Get that, many folks saw Hillary as the greater of two evils and voted for Trump.
90% of Bernie voters stayed with Democratic party and voted for Hilary
If Bernie had been on the ticket he could have pulled votes from both of them and then maybe Hillary would have won Trump would have won or Bernie would have won. We don’t know.
But he wasn’t, because progressive voters didn’t show up enough in the primaries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate#2016_election
Sanders initially said that the candidate with the majority of pledged delegates should be the nominee; in May 2016, after falling behind in the elected delegate count, he shifted, pushed for a contested convention and arguing that, “The responsibility that superdelegates have is to decide what is best for this country and what is best for the Democratic Party.”[46][54] Ultimately, Clinton won the nomination without relying on the votes of superdelegates; she led Sanders by a substantial number of elected delegates (from primary and caucus votes), as well by a substantial margin in the popular vote.
More people voted for Hillary, so she was the nominee. And that’s my point. You can overcome
It’s time progressives break ranks with the duo poly. And if that means splitting the ticket then so be it.
It doesn’t fucking have to mean splitting the vote. Just fucking vote for progressives in the god damn primaries!
I will say this, I won’t get off the couch to vote for Newsome. As he has already proven that he is perfectly willing to throw me under the bus for power.
If the alternative is measurably worse, then you are just making easier for them to win by reducing the number of votes they need to receive in order to win.
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if we all wait around for the Dems to save us. If the Democrats want my vote, they need to put AOC on the ticket. If they want to run actual progressives,
This right here is what I’m saying. Anybody who meets the requirements can declare their candidacy in the party primary. We don’t need the party to turn around and say “oh hey here’s a bunch of candidates for you to pick from.” Was AOC given to us by the party? NO! She just up and ran against an incumbent because she saw Bernie do it. And the voters in the district showed up and voted for her. Fuck what “the party” wants and use their process to get what we want! It’s not up to the party to put someone on the ticket, it’s up to that someone to register to be on the primary ballot and the god damn primary voters to show up and vote!
The DNC playing favorites in 2016.
They did, but it didn’t matter, because more people showed to the primaries to vote for Clinton than did for Bernie. She had more pledged delegates, elected by the primary voters, going into the convention and the superdelegates didn’t even need to vote for her to win the nomination. The party even changed the convention rules starting in 2018 so that the superdelegatees don’t even vote unless the pledged delegates (the ones elected by the primary voters) can’t elect a candidate in the first vote.
More likely I won’t be able to vote by then because I’m trans.
Stay safe and know that you are still valued and welcome by millions of people.
Edit, I didn’t it down votes you by the way that was somebody else. We can disagree without a petty down vote war
Agree on that. Cheers!
If that meams that Dems get united and organized and finally get aggressive in taking on their opponents, then I’m all in.
If it means becoming a zombie follower of the party, no matter how stupid and corrupt they are, then fuck no.
Let’s do it.
“Tea Party-style” would mean “astroturfed by outrageously wealthy industrialists”
I’ll let the CCP bribe me, idgaf, just saying.
I’ll take their money. Ain’t gonna implement Red flavored capitalism and none of this mono party bullshit. But I can take their money as I advocate for what I want
Exactly, what are they gonna do? Sue for not doing what I was bribed to do?
Can we throw Schumer in the ocean first?
Nah, Pelosi has to go first.
Not thrilled with Chuck or Nancy, but at least Nancy is good at her job. Schumer has always been the quintessential weak, spineless Democrat weenie, and I will NEVER forgive him for stabbing Al Franken in the back. His weak job performance is a major reason we are in the mess we are in now.
Guys calm down we can fit both of them in there
How about we come together in compromise and tie them together the toss them both in.
Votes are tied, let’s see who wins.
One into the ocean, one into the sun.
good.
more than half of the electeds need to go from all sorts of issues from stabbing biden in the back to push him out to voting to censure rep al green to voting for all of trump’s cabinet picks. the party is rotten and necrotic at the head and it’s dragging the entire country down.
Egalitarian Party let’s fucking goooooooo
About time.
Is that really the model we want to follow?
uh, yeah? They cannibalized the entire Republican party and wear its skin like a trophy, that’s kinda exactly what we want to do to the DNC. Sure, they did it for terrible reasons and sure, the main reason they were successful was the moneied assistance of oligarchs, but there’s no arguing their success. If we want to be successful, we should study their notes.
They’ve seized power from their party’s centrists and converted huge chunks of them haven’t they?
It’s compared to the tea party for the same reason every scandal in politics is something-gate.
