More than 10,000 people turned out for a rally with U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt), in Warren as part of his national “Fighting Oligarchy” tour.
This reminds me of something I read from a British left-wing journalist the other day (source). She suggested that perhaps the left should focus less on identity politics, and more on wealth and class:
By making a virtue of marginalisation, breaking ourselves down into ever smaller and mutually hostile groupings, we make it impossible to build a mass movement capable of taking on extreme concentrations of wealth and power
Warren, MICHIGAN. I would like to encourage anyone who posts local news to put clarifying geographical data in the title … I’ve spent so many minutes of my life clicking thru to some local TV station’s story and looking … looking … looking for any sort of clue where the hell they are.
Thank you!! I didn’t have to go through the spelunking exercise because of your comment!!
10,000 showed up to fight oligarchy—guess billionaires finally pushed us into revolution mode.
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It’s interesting to watch this, and while Bernie is slightly left to my values, how come this octogenarian gets it and the rest of the party doesn’t? I’m just amazed that some democrats interpret this as “let’s align with MAGA” a little more, instead of calling those “right wing radicalists”. The future of Dems is to be the anti-oligarchy party. While I understand how risky this may be as unlimited dark money pouring in can tilt things, but people still have the power if they unite.
One third of Americans voted for Donald Trump. One third of Americans did not vote.
Two thirds of Americans a) think that Kamala Harris, forget Bernie Sanders, was too conservative, or b) do not give a fuck.
The idea that there is this massive left wing sentiment that will bubble to the surface if the Democrats annouce their Five Year Plan simply isn’t something born out by the numbers.
affordable education and universal healthcare would be popular drawing forces.
You mean two essential parts of the Democratic platform for decades?
One of which Biden tried to implement by executive order, but was blocked by the Supreme Court?
No fucking way anti-oligarchy is the future of the party. The Dems are going to run the same tired playbook of courting the center and hoping the Republicans shit the bed. They are already saying this loudly and often.
No fucking way anti-oligarchy is the future of the party.
We’ll see. It would be quite tragicomical after they just got punished for moving towards the center like the second humiliating time around. At least Bernie’s showing the path.
I mean I’m pretty sure a bit ago I saw something that leaked from a meeting of Dems about strategy going forward where they were talking about trying to shift more to the right by presenting themselves as more patriotic and pushing for more focus on larger donors rather than lots of small donors which is basically just doubling down on what they just tried. I still have some hope that maybe people get so fed up a Bernie like candidate can win despite major push back from donors and the establishment of the party and shape the party to be more progressive rather than allowing the party apparatus and donors to shape them to be less progressive but if that did happen it would be a bigger upset then what happened with Trump winning and shaping the Republican party into his personal Maga party.
If Bernie fucking Sanders is too far left for you then you’re definitely part of the problem
Agreed, Sanders only has the working class at heart throughout his career. Is he perfect? Of course not. If you are working class and you think Bernie is bad…. You really need to reconsider who you are and where you stand.
nobody called Bernie bad here…
Understood. I was just making a statement.
While too far left could mean this, the op just said “slightly left”. Of course, if what you meant is that Bernie Sanders is barely left enough, that anyone to the right of him is the problem, then nvm.
The second one
Here we have somebody being polite and engaging in politics@lemmy.world. I come to this community because I wish to talk to people who are more right-wing than me. Let’s not shoo them away please.
Just because they’re polite doesn’t mean they’re not wrong, and if they can’t handle being told so then your talking with them isn’t going to get anything done anyway
yawn.
Edit: if you go on calling people “part of the problem” for considering Bernie slightly to their left in a post that praises him, then you are actually part of the problem and you don’t even realize it.
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How in the fuck is Bernie too far left for you? America is way too far fucking right wing, that’s insane
America is way too far fucking right wing, that’s insane
It generally is, especially from the European perspective but not entirely. If we put aside present republican posturing, the USA is very immigration-friendly right and left whereas in Europe the right wing is extremely against any kind of immigration.
How in the fuck is Bernie too far left for you?
You guys are way too inclined to think in extremes. Slight = difference between democratic socialist vs. social democrat.
Bernie is a social democrat, regardless of branding. You’re gonna need to specify where Bernie is to your left.
The democratic socialist is a label Bernie used to describe himself in the past. I’m not into populism, and consider that social welfare policies only work in a lasting way if people value and respect them, and some of that come with compromises that society has to reach a consensus on.
Also, I don’t “need to specify” anything to you and if y’all think that you can afford to attack people for being slightly misaligned with your values don’t be surprised about failing to build a movement.
I didn’t attack you? I just asked for clarification! As far as I’m concerned he’s a social democrat, just like you, and I don’t really know what your disagreement with Bernie even is. I guess you’re not into “populism” but what does that mean? You’re not into popular policies? What does it mean to “value and respect” social welfare? Does Bernie not value and respect social welfare? I’d like some specifics so we can have a dialogue.
How am I even supposed to talk to you if you refuse to clarify your specific problems?
How am I even supposed to talk to you if you refuse to clarify your specific problems?
You can always send a DM. I’m done with this thread, people seem a little too much into movements but don’t understand how to make them appealing😂
It’s interesting to watch this, and while Bernie is slightly left to my values, how come this octogenarian gets it and the rest of the party doesn’t?
Which party? The Democrats? He’s not part of them since they crushed him and his followers in 2016, preferring to back H.Clinton to a stunning loss against Trump.
They don’t get it because they are also a party more interested in supporting oligarchs than the working person. They still think that Trump beat them through disinformation, when it was really that they lost because their track record since Carter has been to back big business over the needs of the common people. Clinton and Obama should have been ripping up Regan’s / Bush’s legacy, but they just tweaked it. All Trump did was speak to that, even though he had no intention of doing anything about it.
When is Harris’ anti-oligarchy rally? Obama’s? LOL, Pelosi’s? Why the fuck does this one guy who should be retiring on a beach somewhere have to keep dragging the entire Democratic party? I love Bernie, but it’s beyond pathetic that after all these years it’s still his job.
They’re protecting their capital.
Never. They are the oligarchy.
Because none of those other people want to. The only reason they even allow Bernie to do as much as he does is to placate progressive liberals, if they didn’t folks might start figuring out that reform doesn’t work.
In all fairness, Harris’s political ambitions are over. She lost to Trump, she should probably just stay out of politics now.
She’s saying she might run for Cali governor…
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When is yours? Why is the “dragging” mentioned by you while others are doing more than you?
Any of the people they mentioned would have massively more influence than a random Lemmy poster.
You mean supporters of ThE GeNoCiDe???
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Opposition party doesn’t get to sleep when they are the minority or voted out. It’s their job to rally and agitate. That they do not means they are actually okay with what is happening
Opposition party doesn’t get to sleep when they are the minority or voted out. It’s their job to rally and agitate.
Louder for the people who complain “If you wanted the Democrats to fight back, why did you vote them out?”
Yes, so now they’ve lost they just tell the country “Fuck you. Told you so!”.
GP is asking why have they stopped fighting.
It’s astounding how thoroughly the Democrats have convinced you that absolutely nothing is ever their fault. They are just fellow victims of a declining society that they had absolutely no hand in creating. Unbelievable.
It wasn’t just the establishment issuing warnings. The left has been telling the Democratic establishment for decades that they were leading us here, even before we knew his name would be Trump. Neoliberals disregarded the flashing danger signs over and over again.
Where we are now isn’t because of a single election. Do you think the Democrats were going to win every election forever? Do you think the Republicans were going to get any nicer? This war has been raging for over 50 years and you’re obsessing over one battle. Kamala and the rest of the establishment earned this outcome.
Wait we knew we’d have a Trump one day?
Mayyyyyyy need* to be filled in on a smidge of like pre-Obama history
* ever so kindly request!
Not eho you asked but I think I know where they’re coming from.
Broadly speaking, Democrats have not been calling out Republicans for their actually radicalized speech and actions. Have done far far far too little to stop right wing violence and hate groups. The dems have only nominally been an opposition party and only served as a temporary stop on the overton flywheel the republicans crank like a meth head at every opportunity.
Thank you :)
My request unfortunately rubbed about a dozen people the wrong way… hopefully you weren’t one of them @Tinidril@midwest.social!
Cheers
They already did their part
If by “their part” you mean throw away the most winnable presidential election in history by sticking to pro-corporate party orthodoxy from 1992 in spite of two thirds of their base imploring them not to, then yes. They sure did their part.
scuse Viking
You which part of my earlier reply might be the controversial part, or was it the whole thing? Was surprised to see it wasn’t appreciated yet didn’t garner a reply, that was a first at that level.
Thanks :)
No way, two-thirds of us?
Do you remember when you saw that figure or where it might have been?
Also who was path to the win, Kamala but dressed differently? (Smart ethical kind popular people, why would they get into politics - so instead we have to try to get the mediocre interested in political life? is that accurate?)
Not worth courting, evidently. But at least you got Dick Cheney.
Isn’t it 1.5% for the popular vote for the whole country or just winning the right swing states would have taken 1.5% more votes?
Edit: see my analysis down there, she needed an extra 0.15% votes in her favor, she just needed those votes in three States, the 1.5% number is for the National vote which has no influence on who becomes president, as we’ve seen when Trump won while Hillary got 2.1% more votes.
Ohhh that’s really interesting thanks
The actual swing states all went Republican so they’re in red. There’s a bunch of combinations for an Harris win (electoral college went R312, D226) but Pennsylvania + Michigan + Wisconsin = Harris win, D270, R268 and it’s the option with the closest results in %
If we look at the results in those states she needed 80k votes in Michigan, 120k votes in Pennsylvania and 30k views in Wisconsin.
That’s 230k votes that were missing for her to win.
155 238 302 votes in total With the 230k votes that were missing added to that it’s 155 468 302 votes, which is 0.15% more votes than the current total.
That’s how close this race got if we look at the electoral system and compare it to the total votes. But obviously per swing states the % is different…
All of that to say, the 1.5% number is for the National vote, which doesn’t have any influence in US elections.
Wow thank you - super interesting dive
which is still the highest margin since 2016. IIRC it was less than 150K for 2016 and well below 100K for 2020.
Proper barnstorming.
But they’re dems! What about the GeNoCiDe!
Sanders isn’t a democrat.
I get that you like mocking anyone who isn’t on board with genocide like you are.
Unlike most of the Democratic Party, Bernie does not support the ongoing genocide in Palestine.
Unlike most of the comments… they all support genocides! It’s not different….
This is the way.
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