• AnIndefiniteArticle@sh.itjust.works
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    Fun fact, when the jet stream gets perturbed like that and develops the sinusoidal deviations that we are experiencing, it’s called a Rossby wave.

    These waves are actually super normal as the jetstream shifts with the seasons and moves north/south, especially when in a La Niña phase of the ENSO, which we are in right now.

    The Hadley circulation cells whose boundaries define the jet stream are driven by convection. The US lies right along a jetstream boundary between two cells, and just downwind from the pacific ocean, so our weather is particularly sensitive to the temperature differences across the pacific ocean.

    El Niño patterns have a hot equatorial pacific ocean which drives significant convection on the southern cell of the jet stream crossing the US, stabilizing it. La Niña patterns have a smaller gradient between the temperatures in the cells to the north and south of the relevant jet stream, especially as climate change relatively warms the arctic faster, leading to higher amplitude destabilizations during La Niña patterns like we are experiencing now.

    More fun facts about these Rossby waves: they have been proposed as the mechanism to drive the eddies that end up forming planets in protoplanetary disks around baby stars (see the wikipedia page for Rossby waves above), and as the mechanism behind the hexagonal shape of Saturn’s polar cell. Worth noting that the exact mechanism for that hexagon is still highly debated, but Peter Gierasch used to have a fun model using a modified record turn table to create a rossby wave that formed a hexagon as a proof-of-concept that has stuck with me.

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    I liked the image of the Titanic nosing down into the water, and deniers up on the stern end saying, “If we’re “sinking” how come we/re up so high?”

    Because science, bitch!

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    That’s science though, the people that don’t believe it will not be convinced by smart people sharing their discoveries.

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      I feel like you hit the nail on the head. It’s not that they don’t understand it. I don’t understand most of this, but I can try

      There are people out there who just don’t believe and therefore will never try to understand

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      Go instead with:

      Humans helping the global warming demons is causing the polar ice cap gods to become weaker, who in turn are unable to contain the cold yin winds in the poles, causing them to move to your house.

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    I’ll distribute the leopards. If you’re Republican or voted for the pile of shit, just see one of the leopards. Tell them to go back where they came from, they’ll know what to do. They’re trained, it only takes a second. Pretty painless during… I assume. Oh it’s figurative speech? Never mind! I’ll get the pumas back. It was pumas right? Ew, I think this one already ate a face. Sorry sorry…

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    From that picture it looks like the weak jet stream is the problem. We just need to build a ton of wind farms across Canada to blow it harder so that it becomes more powerful. Easy.

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      It’s not the rich call it what it is. Capital. When profits are impacted we will see change. This is why I continue to say no one is going to bat an eye when Florida gets swallowed by the ocean but when New York does? That’s when we will have a collective eye opening.

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        Capital

        Poor word choice. It is more profitable to build renewables today. Oligarchist power to protect their existing assets, is not “rational capital allocation”, but is what we get from power to corrupt capital allocation.

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      Elon thinks he’ll make it mars with neuralink implant, Peter Thiel will run his fiefdom in new Zealand, the Orange God King will…

      Xi Jin ping will continue doing communism with chinese characteristics and lean harder into Confucianism, the Europeans will return to fiefdom Feudalism

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    Honestly we are way past the point of any scientific reasoning. The public has voted that they are uninterested, and the US government and large corporations are about to be uninterested too.

    To be blunt… No one ever really cared, but the world kinda squeaked by putting scientists in front of statesmen and public broadcasts. Everyone kinda nodded along, and not just for global warming.

    That period is over.

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      No one ever really cared

      That’s just not true. The problem is that the people who care were never the kind of people who’d come into power in our society.

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      There could be more options to choose from if we enacted electoral reform and gave voters the freedom to vote outside the two party system with no spoiler effect.

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        We’d also need campaign finance reform (revoke Citizen’s United for 1), get rid of insider trading, net neutrality, etc. which would all benefit each other and benefit from electoral reform

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      Dayum. Well said. Though some people cared. We, the few, and Al Gore, for example. The great majority, no. It does appear that period is over, I agree. Perhaps this is how it has been for the last 4-5 decades. Maybe this hope’s death will be the last in our history.

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      A few people cared, fewer did anything about it. Most were more concerned with mass production of cheap shit.

      Got a heat pump to replace the gas boiler, bike instead of car and replaced the concrete paved garden with what will hopefully become a wildflower meadow with shrubs on the edges. You can actually just stop buying a lot of the stuff that is causing these problems.

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          I know! Its so easy its great! Plus its generally cheaper too, so I don’t have to work very hard and I still have enough money. God damn life is easy.

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            Your actions you promote taking care only possible by those who own houses and have the means and funds to cover the replacements.
            I understand you will say the wildflowers is basically free but it takes time that you have a privilege of having.

            If that’s where you set the positive actions that people can take most will not be able to achieve them and view you poorly for bragging about it.

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      No actually the people are interested and the megacorps still destroys the planet because they have no soul they worship only profit

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        They cannot survive without buyers. People as a statistical whole do not care when we’re talking about entire populations

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          Edit: sorry for the rant. Morning Adderall and lots of thoughts on the subject. :)

          I think a lot simply don’t know what they can effectively do about it. As is usually the issue with lefty causes, it’s a lot more brain-work and more complicated than chanting a petty slogan and/or a vague willingness to raid a capitol with no actual goal or understanding in mind.

          Right now, beyond just trying to hustle the next dollar to keep existing while under this stupidity, it’s very difficult for us average working-class folk to understand how we can actually punish these powers responsible. Corporations and their fascist backers have become hydras.

          If there was some kind of “Here’s how you can effectively ruin these bastards’ day for a better tomorrow without risking prison” playbook we could agree on, I’m sure a lot of people would be willing.

          We mock neoliberal masses for buying EVs thinking it’s saving the planet, but at the same time, buying something is one of the few levers the average person is allowed to pull, and they were told it would help. I’d like to think they mean well even though they’re being manipulated.

          They try to recycle and try to vote and try to stop buying stuff on Amazon, then sigh and keep trudging along when that obviously doesn’t change anything. They probably get tired of being told they’re not doing anything, especially without some sort of unifying “do this instead.”

          Some radicals block traffic and make a general nuisance of themselves occasionally and we watch as nothing happens.

          Schoolkids appeal to liberal politicians to stop a doomed future and get chuckled out of the room. Nothing happens.

          Whistleblowers expose corporate plans too evil for Saturday morning cartoons and end up conveniently killing themselves. Nothing happens.

          I think we’re past the point of diminishing returns on silly stunts for “Raising awareness”.

          Enough people know. Although complacent, they care. But give them a week off work to stop climate change and they still don’t know what options they have available to them. Or where their allies are.

          Furthermore, generally we tend to want to be good people who don’t want to ruin our lives by openly warring with powers that be.

          The Right gets away with their BS because they don’t negatively impact profits. They’re sock-puppet proxies for an astroturfed holy-war that’s ultimately about cutting labor and drilling more oil, so even treason charges aren’t enough.

          But if we could finally stop arguing theory and get pissed off enough to march on Washington together or whatever, 2nd-amendment toting or not, we’d definitely be met with force for wanting to shut down the slave-driven garbage machines.

          So besides “beg your reps” and “stop buying stupid things from evil companies” (almost everything at this point)…

          What’s our rallying cry?

          How do we engage? Who’s going to step up and lead?

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            No need to apologize for a rant! Rant away!

            But if we could finally stop arguing theory and get pissed off enough to march on Washington together or whatever, 2nd-amendment toting or not, we’d definitely be met with force for wanting to shut down the slave-driven garbage machines.

            Yeah, our parents and grand parents kicked the can down the road at best. I’d argue they actively made it worse. Now we get to choose to sacrifice for a tomorrow, or to also kick the can. Either way people are going to die.

            What’s our rallying cry?

            There really isn’t one. People would rather keep their head down, make no noise, and hope to die before things get bad (for them specifically). Nothing you can say will break them out of that rut. They have to be personally and directly affected to even have a chance.

            How do we engage?

            Sadly I’m pretty sure we’re past the point anything good happening through legislation. Without enough people actually caring a general strike isn’t going to work.

            Who’s going to step up and lead?

            Someone who’s charismatic and willing to be assassinated.

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          Do you know? I don’t understand why I should know? I think many people are also so I don’t get the premise

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              I have never doubted that almost everyone is interested in continuing the human race longer than 2 more generations, so I have not looked at the science. Everyone I talk to is interested at least so I don’t get it

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                People say they’re moving to avoid climate change and them move to where climate change is going to hit the hardest. What people say and what people do are often very different.

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          I’m fine with that, they chose not to be worthy. I saw the masses shout it very clearly, they want to keep this nonsense going ad undas.

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    Good luck convincing the rubes that. Literally heard jokes about “global warming” today in the office. Had to say, well its climate change actually and wild shit means its not doing good.

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    The graphic isn’t all that accurate. The text says a colder period is because of a warmer planet but then the cold area from a meandering jet stream looks larger. The missing part is the warmer air that leaks into the polar areas, causing a feedback loop by further deteriorating the balance of cold and warm that drives the jet stream.

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        It’s a bit prettier. What’s missing (and I know this is meme territory so it’s not a big deal) is how the jet stream is not just weak and wandering, but literally breaking in places and that’s where warm air into the poles happens. And it’s not hard to understand warmer where there’s normally ice means less ice.

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    Last time that much fresh water got dumped in the Atlantic ocean (when the glacier over north america melted) it resulted in an ice age over Europe… So… Good luck guys 👍

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        how dare you not let me enjoy the next few days of reasonable temperature in peaceful ignorance 😭

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        Western Europe in particular benefits from being warmer than its latitude would suggest due to Atlantic Ocean currents.

        These currents are literally a coin toss away from breaking down, and it’s getting worse every year. Climate scientists are in unanimous agreement that the collapse is coming, and faster than a geologic timescale.

        If (when) this happens, European countries will look more like Siberia than the Mediterranean.

        Humanity is already dead. The time for drastic action was 30 years ago. We’re just talking corpses.

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        My thoughts exactly. As a non-European, it sounds like the appropriate response is to drive my Chevvy Suburban 5 miles on the highway for 30 minutes to work in near standstill traffic.

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          I’ll just be over here with my pickup truck acting as my lights and music while I hang out in the front yard.

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    I swear just a few years ago it was polar vortex this polar vortex that on the news everyday about the cold weather and I haven’t heard it once this year.