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Reform 4th biggest party surpassing the SNP. Terrible news for the long term prospects of the country.
Although in the medium term, this labour majority will be a breath of fresh air.
Luckily the exit poll was wrong. Still worrying that they got 4 seats.
Hopefully if Frog Face does try his takeover the Tories will split, and the ones that aren’t racist, climate change denier economically incompetent idiots will either form their own party or join the lib Dems.
A party that wants to leave the UK losing seats is bad for the long-term prospects of the country? 🤔
A party like Reform getting even a single seat is bad for the long-term prospects of this country.
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good
Well obviously Lemmy would say this, but a single seat is meaningless. Even 13 (if true) means they don’t exactly have a huge amount of power.
The problem is the trend. Reform growing means that the Tories will likely go (even further) right to meet them. Farage is already eyeing up becoming leader the Conservatives.
I think the main issue the tories lost wasn’t because of a sudden trend towards leftism, but because of how ridiculously corrupt they became
Not necessarily. Obviously the majority of the seats are going to Labour. Those are the voters they need to win back. They’re not going to do that by appealing to Reform voters.
Labour is winning so many seats because Reform is splitting the right vote. The Tories did so well in 2019 because Reform agreed not to field any candidates to stop Corbyn.
Do you care that the DUP has seats?
No, reform will be equally meaningless.
Not really comparable since the DUP is constrained to Northern Ireland and never even considers entering mainland UK. The Conservative party, Labour party and Lib Dems rarely run in Northern Ireland if ever, so the parties don’t have to worry about them. Reform is UK-Wide and actively snatched votes from the Tories.
The DUP propped up May’s government which put through Brexit. They take their seats and speak in debates. They have an effect, but not much of one with so few seats, and Reform is on a similar number. They will be a similar small voice in Westminster.
The vote share is a different issue. Some Tories will be looking at that longingly, but I suspect they would alienate more than they’d recruit if they actually shifted in that direction.
Reform has 14% of the popular vote. The Tories will be chasing that.
its not about 13 seats. They got more than half the vote share the conservatives had. If the conservatives wanna win that voteshare back, they are gonna need to move even further right, which is worrying.
It’s not that easy. Such a move could alienate more moderate voters, causing them to lose even more to labour.
When the party that is gaining seats is led by Nigel Farage, one of the front men of the disastrous lie that was brexit, yes.
I’m not talking about SNP loosing seats but about reform winning seats.
And I’m talking about the prospects of the citizens of the united kingdom, not a political structure.
I kind of hate that this distinctly centre-right version of a labour party is going to consider themselves as given a mandate to fill their centre-right boots, despite the fact that they’re only as powerful as they are because of how utterly toxic the Tory party have become. Largely from chasing the same ends that this labour government will likely continue to chase.
Not only that, but people think we’re about to have a left wing government (mostly because the media tells them so, and school didn’t teach them any better), and when nothing changes (at best) they’re going to use it as “proof” that leftism doesn’t work and fall in to the hands of even further right populists, rather than face the reality - that they’ve just elected more of the same, and that the system was designed to never serve us, only the establishment.
“Think of how much damage, in the wake of 14 years of mismanagement, an even more left wing party might do! Never again!”
Nobody thinks we’re going to have a truly left wing government, as for whatever reason vanishingly few people want to vote for that.
Nobody thinks we’re going to have a truly left wing government
Lol, nobody you’ve spoken to perhaps. Also if they didn’t already, just wait for the media to pitch in over the next couple of years…
Personally I know more people who’ve moved away from Labour than to it, I just acknowledge that people outside of cities exist and that I live in something of a bubble.
Refusing to accept that is the sort of thinking that gets Reform so many votes as many people in large cities forget that the majority of the population don’t live in cities, and so don’t suffer from the problems there so much (higher cost of living and lower labour availability than rural areas) and so don’t care so much about progressive or socialist policies.
EDIT: sorry, it’s late, I misread, I’ll keep this up and maybe edit again later because I’m too sleepy to respond to what you actually said right now
I think this analysis is spot on. People are complex and tend to be self-interested IRL; even moreso the older they get.
Like people might realise that there is a housing crisis but once they become a home owner, then the lure of being a NIMBY to maximise the value of their property becomes too tempting.
Unfortunately, leftist movements in the UK tend to be idiotically self hating towards our country at best and commonly supports the literal dissolution of the United Kingdom which turns most moderates away.
Yeah I don’t really like it either, but TBH things are so bad that just destroying the Tories is good enough for me this time around.
Hopefully they’ll be radioactively unelectable for a really long time, and we can push it in a better direction over the next couple of elections.
Labour is expected to win 410 seats, with the Conservatives on 131
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn09xn9je7lt
I think the phrase “landslide” is going to be putting it mildly.
I’d say this is the appropriate time to actually use it and it has been overused for rather marginal leads before.
Avalanche?
An avalanche is just a snowy landslide.
Can someone break this down for the non-british? Is this a good thing?
The center (slight left leaning) party won by a landslide because everyone was fed up with the right wing party who’d been in charge for 14 years.
The far-right party went from 0 to 13 seats in a single election (think the MAGA of england basically). Since the center-right party lost so bad, people are scared the far right party will have more influence on the right and ultimately lead to the center right party either merging with the far right party or being more radical to “meet them”.
One could make the parallels to when Macron won the election with a centrist coalition a couple years ago, but in the process heavily weakened the center right party, which ultimately lead to the rise of the far right.
Ignoring that though. The center-(left) government will be much better than the government we had before.
I’d say it’s debatable that they are centre-left. I know they are labelled that everywhere, but Starmer has made notable shifts to the right (or at least towards centre) from the slow left movement since the very much centre-right New Labour of Blair.
Excellent citation! Thanks for sharing!
Reform got 4 seats, not 13, but they did get 15% of the vote
Reform are right-wing, but they’re not far-right anymore than Jeremy Corbyn was apparently far-left.
Nigel Farrage’s party is almost certainly far right compared to the status quo.
I’m not being funny mate but ‘reform’ is just a rebranding of the fucking NF make no mistake. It’s three steps away from brownshirts mate that’s what it fucking is.
Hysterical nonsense, but I expect nothing less from Lemmy.
Two Reform UK parliamentary candidates have shared material deemed “vile” and in breach of the internationally-recognised definition of antisemitism.
Candidates of the right-wing party have previously shared on social media material defending Adolf Hitler, denying the Holocaust, conspiracy theories about the Rothschild family and Jewish financier George Soros, denial of antisemitism, and comparisons of the state of Israel with Nazi Germany.
Yes? There have been 20 candidates for the Green Party who were investigated for anti-semitism.
Let’s not pretend that cranks only exist in Reform UK.
I’m not pretending just pointing out that we are talking about Nazis.
Would you have said the same of UKIP?
Yes. UKIP now are far-right (hence why you don’t hear of them anymore), but they were just a plain old Thatcherite right-wing party under Farage.
It’s a big deal because the Conservatives have been in power for the last 14 years and everyone is sick of the sight of them. Current projections show that this may be their worst showing ever.
Their main rivals, Labour, are going to dominate on a centrist platform, even though they are not promising much in the way of reform or change.
The biggest downside is that the Trumpish Reform party are looking like they’ll do quite well with xenophobic, right-wing, ex-Conservatives.
In Canadian terms, the Liberal part just got a majority after a long stretch of Conservative leadership, the ones that broke from NAFTA.
Something of concern is that the People’s Party actually got seats this election, even more than the Bloc. And the Green part got another seat, so there’s that.
The Tories (UK Republican clones) are getting a clobbering. But not as bad as some had hoped.
Now I’m a Lib Dem voter but the UK Conservatives are not clones of the Republicans no matter how many times the internet says they are. When the Republicans made abortion illegal the Tories condemned it, and while the Republicans are trying to make same-sex marriage illegal it was Tory led coalition when it got legalised in the UK, and they didn’t put it to the public vote, they just did it.
Yeah, the Conservative Party are actually far closer to the US Democrats, largely because American politics swings much further to the right.
It’s amazing how people pontificate and say things with such certainty when they clearly don’t pay any attention to the reality.
They’re not as bad as the Republicans, but given how they have been acting in recent years in particular it is definitely not an entirely unfair comparison. They’re ludicrously, dangerously angry at asylum seekers and trans people.
It is also worth noting that more Conservative MPs voted against same-sex marriage than for it, despite it being one of their own MPs that introduced it
They’re ludicrously, dangerously angry at asylum seekers and trans people.
Easy scapegoats thrown to the masses cause they have no excuses that will work for the way things have gone.
If you’re a Labour supporter, yes. If you support the Conservatives, no. 😂
I"m sure the irony is intend on an election on the same day as the US celebration of Independence. =) I watched the John Oliver episode about this election though, and congrats on what looks like Labor being the big winner over the Conservative party.
Holy FPTP, that represenation is fucked. How hoes 33% of the popular vote translate to 60% of parliamentary seats?
Y’all need electoral reform.
Pretty poor showing for Keith on first blush - much less of a Tory collapse and 13! reform seats.
This country is fucking cooked, Sturmer is getting Macron’d as soon as we hit the first crisis.
