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Don’t go back. Even if Reddit makes concessions, the CEO has shown that he will do whatever he wants and doesn’t give a crap about the users of Reddit, you know, the people who actually make him money. Any site controlled by a CEO is at risk of this happening.
Not just shit controlled by a CEO, literally anything for-profit. For-profit software does not care about your experience. It cares about gouging as much money as it can from you. Open source software, the antithesis, is made for and by the people. It’s there to be as useful and enjoyable as possible. Open source software has nothing to gain from forcing you to jump through hoops, unlike for-profit software. They put the hoops in place, then force you to pay them to fix the problem they deliberately caused.
And it’s not like open software can’t make money. Donations have shown time and time again to be enough for software and servers good enough to deserve them. See lichess.org for a wonderful example of an open platform that even denounces advertising openly, and yet survives just fine on donations. The problem is the for-profit income model.
If all the third party apps die, I couldn’t go back even if I wanted to.
The longer this goes on, the more convinced I am that this will actually damage Reddit significantly.
Given that reddit is making it difficult for users to delete posts and comments [1]. I wonder if it will make it more difficult for them if instead of deleting the comments and posts, but we flood the posts and comments with garbage edits.
Something like this could be easily scripted out. Could use browser automation if you don’t want to use the reddit api.
If they truly have the ability to roll back deleted AND edits on a post and comment level, then flooding the change history log with garbage edits will cause them to hemorrhage money in terms of cold storage (ie, Amazon S3) and database size.
They can’t be infinitely storing all of the edit history. So at some point they have to purge the oldest commits at which point makes it equivalent to deletion of original post, except now they are keeping garbage and paying to keep that garbage stored. Have fun running your LLM on that junk.
Something like this:
- original comment: “Some thoughtful comment here”
- 1st edit: <edited to hit max comment length with garbage content, maybe “lorem ipsom” placeholder stuff>
- 2nd edit: <edit one character in string>
- 3rd edit: <edit another character in string>
- nth edit: …
Again, this assumes they are even keeping the edit history. Would be nice if we can get insider information from a reddit backend engineer to confirm.
I’m glad people aren’t backing down, whether you left Reddit entirely for Lemmy like I have or keep trying to start fires over there, it all hurts Reddit’s IPO.
This won’t go anywhere as long as users aren’t willing to leave reddit. Mods can be replaced, users can’t.
I left…reddit honestly seems clunky now…I go back to watch it burn but it’s not burning enough :( maybe instead of John Oliver they should be posting dragons or something jeez
People should just start posting really unflattering images of spez or photoshopping spez
That would really piss him off
I left. dl’d, and then erased all my content. This confirms the importance of Open Source.
It took many years for reddit to take off to become a huge player on the internet. Digg, Twitter, and myspace where the big players in 2005 to 2010. Then people started to move to Facebook, Snapchat, and Reddit as they became more popular. It only a matter of time until Mastodon, Lemmy and other federated platforms take over. Especially if the community keeps growing and spreading the word.
Yes, it’ll take time but this was a good kick in the pants.
Yeah does it seems like decentralized (federated or otherwise) systems will be the future of social media. There’s lemmy (only four years old, the most popular I’d say), bluesky (another federated system), and plebbit (peer to peer, uses ipfs) to highlight a few. So there seemsto be a lot of exploration in this space.
I think reddit will be around for quite some time, but it’ll never be the same, and die a slow death.
Bluesky has a great write up about federation/decentralization in case anyone is interested:
https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog/6-23-2023-moderation-proposals
Users can move their accounts to other providers. Developers can run their own connected infrastructure. Creators can keep access to their audiences.
Gotta spread the good word of ActivityPub!
I’ve been pleasantly surprised by the number of people who are continuing to stick with it + be supportive. I didn’t expect anything beyond the planned end of the blackout, although I didn’t expect thousands of subreddits to participate in that either. Either way I’ve basically cut Reddit out entirely. I used to scroll 2-3hrs a day and I’m down to maybe 10 minutes once or twice a week when I’m trying to find an answer to something. Attempting to fill my newfound free time has been… fun
Weirdly enough it got me more engaged with social media. In the sense that now I’m posting and talking with people on lemmy and mastodon more than I ever did on reddit. Weird how a place can get so popular it stops being a real community after a while
I think the strange part is feeling obligated to interact more. I’ll upvote more than I did on Reddit. I post more than I did on Reddit. The goal seems clear, to make this place feel inhabited. The more bustling it feels, the bustling it will become.
The other aspect is moderating communities. I’m not a mod, or at least I wasn’t. But Lemmy lacks the breadth of oddly specific comms, and if I intend to eventually doom scroll again, modding a niche comm is a good start.
True, same experience here. It’s nice to not see 1k+ comment threads filled with karmahoarders voted to the top.
I don’t know that it has me engaging more but it feels more fun and meaningful now. Reddit had turned into man yells into the void for me. Now I feel like I’m talking to real people again on Lemmy. It’s such a relief honestly.
It helps not opening a post to find 10k plus comments and the top comment with 4k upvotes.
Even if reddit changes course at this point… I’ve found Lemmy. And it’s just… better. And beyond that, it would take reddit years to recoup the goodwill they’ve lost with this.
It is sad that we are going to loose a bunch of community knowledge that is on reddit if they go under but fuck spez and reddit
Though I wish there was a backup of reddit so we can keep the community knowledge gathered throughout the years
Edit: typo
They won’t go under. They’ll just become a shell. If they truly approached bankruptcy, someone would buy them just for the brand.
I get why people are doing it, but truthfully the folks deleting all their comments are the ones truly destroying the data. Even if we all moved on, that data would have still been there for us to google, just like all those mostly dead forums.
or we can try to move the useful information to the new lemmy communities.
R/Datahoarder has been on this since it started. We aren’t losing shit.
are they on lemmy or somewhere except Reddit?
I don’t know if it’s exactly what you want, but:
https://lemmy.ml/c/datahoarder
Found from this search of that sub “rehab” list.
It’ll technically all still be there on reddit, right? We can treat it as an archive without actually being active users. Heck, you could even form a volunteer group to collate all the most important threads and key points into some posts here, or some google docs, etc.
There are some people, who in the light of the protest and moving to Lemmy, have deleted their accounts. Of these people there are also those who have purged their data, as in removed all their comments/posts.
If the purgers were content creators or support geeks, then the communities they interacted with might become a little “moth eaten”.
Luckily, r/datahoarder has been looking into archiving reddit before the chaos.
There’s a couple of scripts out there not just to delete previous posts, but to edit them all into gibberish. Even random gibberish for each post/comment. That’s much more destructive to reddit’s value and hard for datahoarders to detect, unless they started before the uprising and track changes.
Pushshift data might be a very good candidate for a reddit archive of data before may 1st but I’m not sure on the specifics of Pushshift access to the data
before may 1st
Not sure if time traveler, or…?
Reddit disabled api access for pushshift on may 1st over the claims of “user privacy” if I recall correctly which we know is bullshit because reddit are hypocrites and sell user data anyways
Meaning Reddit data up to that point in time
Do you mean you’re masturbating more or you took up painting?
Or painting themselves masturbating?
It’s annoying that so much of my search results rely on community discussions from reddit. I’ve pretty much ditched the site entirely and am getting pretty comfy here, but a lot of historical discussions on reddit simply can’t be replaced and likely never will be.
Well, no offense, but I don’t want both of my arms broken to begin with, let alone what comes after!
That’s what I’ve been doing here instead, lol.
shhh let me pretend my attempt at self-improvement has been successful
I haven’t been on Reddit since June 11th at 9:30pm central time. That’s when the first of my subbed reddits went dark. I deleted rif, and haven’t been back. I’ve just been wasting time here, instead!
Well, since we are here on Lemmy, it feels like that good damage is already done on Reddit side.
If the injury is a fatal one, only time and the engagement on the alternatives will tell.
Reddit will still be around for a good long while after this I’m guessing, unless the IPO offering goes completely tits up, it may be a long, slow decline, or none at all even. However, just given their attitude in all of this, they’ll likely be pushing people away on a regular basis with even more bad decisions until they it hits a critical mass and people just migrate to the new popular site/app. Whether it’s Lemmy or Tildes or Mastodon or whatever, another platform will likely take the crown from them.
Third week? Damn, i sweared i joined only two weeks ago
Reddit is a full trashcan nobody bothered to empty for 10 years. Lemmy it up!
This 🔥
I don’t really get what protesters wants to achieve now but only a moron would go back even if they announced that there won’t be any API changes, knowing what shit CEO of that shit company thinks about them. Stockholm syndrome is strong in these people.
I don’t see why anyone would be still trying, other than perhaps mods of major communities who want to hold on to their power or prominence. For typical users, who cares. It’s like knocking and knocking on the door of an ex-friend who kicked you out of their house. Just go somewhere else.
A lot of mods are community founders. They care about their community, not reddit. Reddits just a middleman getting in the way.
Imagine a group of friends. Reddit is the friend with the best house for parties, but is kinda a dick. The mods are the social ones that brought this friend group together in the first place. Reddit is being stupid and making dumb rules that mostly hurt the mod. The mod is trying to either get reddit to relax the rules OR convince the rest of the friends to leave. Truthfully the friends should leave, but reddits house is so nice and they’re comfortable. The mod could leave, but they’re afraid all that will result in is losing their entire friend group. The whole situation sucks all around.
Thanks, that’s a more precise analogy. Definitely we were never metaphorically 'friends’with reddit - the best times on the site have been when I didn’t really know who was running it or care and they just stayed out of everyone’s way.
I can see why mods of any size would want to preserve their existing community, because it’s true that most people won’t migrate together. With reddit’s attitude it seems hopeless at this point to me, though. Perhaps if they had a change of leadership, but it seems likely to only get worse if they IPO and are further corporatized.Nosleep for instance…I can see them being in a tight spot…it’s such a niche community and honestly a fairly important one…I at least have 4 physical books I’ve purchased from authors. It’s such a great launch pad. I feel bad that I’ll really not be spending hours there at all anymore
There is a Lemmy equivalent. Sorry not sure of the name. It was there when I was scanning through subscriptions.
Shameless self-promotion: It’s https://lemmy.world/c/lemmyscareyou or !lemmyscareyou@lemmy.world, would love if more people can contribute over there.
There’s no way they can IPO with under the current circumstances. They’ll not be able to strong-arm the volunteers into submission. I’m thinking there’s a deadline, they’ll drop spez and sell the company off to some place that gives a crap.
They’ll sell the company off to some place that will give less of a crap and will need to monetize even more to recoup their investment. It will become Deaddit.
Deaddit - love that moniker !!
Reddit was once a beautiful thing, I hope a way can be found for it to remain so. But this seems like a much nicer place now, more like the Reddit of old. So unfortunately, Deaddit seems like the only moniker that fits now.
It already is Deaddit lol
And now people are doing GDPR requests. Literally takes 3 seconds. Might as well!
Will edit with the direct link in a second. It’s also a comment in the above thread.
Edit: direct link for GDPR is here: https://lemm.ee/comment/402687
why can’t jerboa open those links?
I think it might be because there is no “this is a Lemmy domain” in the HTML header and thus the Jebora Dev needs to register every website it can open manually and separately.
Honestly? I’ve ripped off the bandaid and moved operations over here. It feel weird and treacherous just going back to check for zombie comments.
Y’alll are more my speed anyway. Prost! 🍻
I did go on reddit the other day (didn’t login) and seeing all of the deleted comments the admins have removed for talking about THE ISSUE is kind of hilarious.
It just feels more alive and real here… If that makes any sense.
It feel weird and treacherous just going back to check for zombie comments.
Well, replace “reddit.com” in the URL with “teddit.net” and you can view content on Reddit without going to Reddit.
